Talk:How can the open Internet coexist with new IP services? – PL 03 2015
Minutes telco April 21st 2015
Org.Team: Present (Alphabetical order by name) Luca Belli, Frederic Donck (Chair), Mat Ford, Thomas Grob, Yasen Gyurov (2d half), Lorena Jaume-Palasi (Eurodig Sec.), Gonzalo Lopez Barajashude, Erika Mann, Andy O'Donnell Apologies: Michael Kende, Konstantinos Komaitis, Nebojsa Regoje
Agreed that the session is being recorded. Minutes will be published on the (Eurodig) wiki
A. Composition and Inclusiveness of the Org. team: Following last call decision to extend participation to this Org. team, we have:
- Welcomed Facebook representatives as new members of the Org. team (Erika and Andy)
- Acknowledged that CDT will not contribute to this 2015 Eurodig, hence is not going to contribute to this group.
- Taken note that Google and EDRI answers to join the group are still on hold: check availability (ACTION: FD/LB)
We have also agreed that we would limit this group to an efficient number of participants, and this does imply that we would admit maximum 2 or 3 additional participants to the Org.Team (suggested names: EDRI/Quadrature du Net/Global Partners- ACTION: LB & LJP) Of course, in no way, would this impede *any* stakeholder to contribute to the work of this group as all our minutes and our drafts will be published and open to external contributions.
B. Objectives: The Org. Team has clarified the two objectives assigned to it, and in particular what it is that we want to achieve and how we would get there.
B.1. Objective 1 (Coordination of the drafting of an “Eurodig statement on NN”)
The Org. team confirmed its agreement to further proceed with an approach based on specific angles/perspectives of NN which would cover Businesses, End-users, Human Rights, Technical perspectives and/or commonly agreed definitions (Internet Services, Managed/specialized services, etc..)
The overall objective is to discuss and then submit a draft covering the above-mentioned topics during the Eurodig NN Plenary in June in order for the Eurodig Community to agree, by consensus, on a "Eurodig Statement on NN". The drafting process will be as transparent and as inclusive as possible so that all the Eurodig stakeholders are aware of it and that the conversation in Sofia is an informed and open one on issues which are, hopefully, already clarified- and as the case may be, which already reached consensus during the present process. During this preparation phase, controversial issues and potential disagreements will have to be handled in a way that would lead to an acceptable language for most of, if not all the parties, in the drafting process ("consensus driven approach”). This said, if the intention is to clearly obtain a consensus on all the issues being discussed, one also might need to consider a situation where no consensus is reached on a specific topic or a particular wording which would best describe it, and this would need to be acknowledged as such in the outcome of this conversation.
Process: Each of the proposed topics shall be “driven" by a specific volunteer within the Org.Team, who will take responsibility for:
- proposing a first draft on the topic
- sharing with this group, which will then discuss it during the Org.Team’s calls.
- sharing with the Eurodig Secretariat for publication
- reporting to the Org Team on the amendments proposed by stakeholders during the drafting process and suggest, as the case may be, a wording that would reconcile divergent views/comments
- including amendments and modifications agreed by the Org.Team
Each topic is open to contribution from each participant of this group, and when published, from each and every stakeholder. We agreed that each topic should be no longer than two paragraphs (except for the topic covering "technical definitions", see below)
Overall Deadline: The present drafting process as well as the ability for stakeholders to comment on the drafts will be closed on May 22, 2015, COB (CET) The different milestones and drafts in the drafting process will be shared and published. The first drafts shall be ready by the Org.Team's next call, which means that they will be shared with this group and the Eurodig Secretariat by Tuesday 28 April COB (CET)
Drafting Responsibilities/Topics: 1. Human Rights: Luca Belli 2. End-Users: Mat Ford (Nebojsa Reboge also expressed interest to join the drafting process) 3. Business: Thomas Grob 4. Technical Perspectives/definitions: Mat Ford/Luca Belli. (*)
(*) As concerns topic #4 “Technical Perspectives/definitions” the Org. Team exchanged ideas on the best way to drive such an important topic. The Group agreed that no more than 5 or 6 issues should be addressed and further defined. Among those issues, the group agreed to address “Specialized/Managed services”, "Internet Services", “Transit". Other concepts (as, e.g. paid peering, paid prioritization) to be suggested by the two volunteers of this Group (Mat Ford/Luca Belli). We also agreed to check the work already done by other stakeholders as the IGF Dynamic Coalition on NN (Action: Luca Belli). Other existing technical definitions will also be brought to this group (e.g.IETF/Action: Mat Ford)
B.2. Objective 2 (organisation of NN Plenary):
The Org.Team will start collecting names and suggestions for the Plenary session is Sofia. The format of the Plenary session and related issues will be addressed in due time. The Org.Team recognizes that an ad hoc funding might also be an issue to address when considering panelists to be invited to the NN Plenary in Sofia. On a very pragmatic way, the Eurodig Secretariat will share an up-dated registration list with the Org.Team on a regular basis, so that the Org Team can take informed decision as concerns potential panelists. Last but not least, the Org.Team acknowledged reception of the suggestions made by Yasen Gyurov.
C. Way Forward:
The Org.Team agreed on the critical importance of a very transparent and inclusive process for our work. In order to achieve this, the following suggestions have been considered and agreed upon:
- Eurodig Wiki to include regular and up-dated information on our work and progress, incl. the minutes of our meetings.
- As concerns the drafting process (Objective 1), the wiki has been considered too complex a tool to enable an adequate and user-friendly participation of stakeholders. The Eurodig Secretariat has referred to an on-line tool (“Genius”) which would allow for a more efficient and inclusive participation.
Lorena gave us details on this online tool and its functioning, incl. the need to log in before being able to comment or suggest modification to the proposed drafts, and the merits of such a process. Action: Eurodig Secretariat to share demo of this tool with the Org.Team and the Eurodig Community. In the meantime, the drafts of this team will be shared with the Eurodig Secretariat which will take care of their publication.
- Each Member of the Org. Team shall share information about our work (i.e.Eurodig wiki & “Genius” link when available) and the objectives of it through his/her own channels and mailing lists (e.g.: policy-, IG-mailing lists, etc.). We agreed that a direct approach to key stakeholders in our community is a must. The Org. Team invites each and every stakeholder to perform a similar campaign.
- As concerns Social media, the suggested hashtags for our work are:
- NetNeutrality
- EurodigNN
D. Next steps & Milestones April 28 (COB): Each leader to share its draft with the Org.Team and the Eurodig Sec. April 29 (15.00 CET/1.00 PM UTC): Conference Call Org.Team May 15: Deadline for agreement on Panelists/Moderator/Remote Moderator of NN Panel in Sofia
Minutes telco April 10th 2015
Present (Alphabetical order by name) Luca Belli, Frederic Donck (FP), Mat Ford, Thomas Grob, Yasen Gyurov, Lorena Jaume-Palasi (Eurodig Sec.), Michael Kende, Gonzalo Lopez Barajashude, Nebojsa Regoje
A. Composition and Inclusiveness of the Org. team:
1. Agreed to extend the org. team to more reps of civil society, start ups, Internet businesses, Academics.
By the end of the week, invitations to be launched to
— EDRI; Academics (C.Mardsen): Luca
— Bulgarian Start up: Yasen
— CDT: Frederic
— Google: Frederic
— Quadrature: Lorena
— Allied fro Startups: Lorena
2. Agreed that all means will be used to ensure full inclusiveness and transparency of the process: Eurodig secretariat to provide open and accessible tools for drafting process and ability to post and/or vote on comments (wiki, genius). Eurodig Secretariat to ensure publicity and open campaign about the existence of such a process (social media, hashtags, etc.). Each Member of the Org. team to ensure his related communities are being fully informed and invited to contribute-though own specific channels (eg. Luca though IGF dynamic coalition, Frederic through ISOC membership, etc.).
B. Objectives: Objectives are two-fold as not only is the org.team responsible with the organisation of the Plenary session in Sofia but also with the coordination of the drafting of an “Eurodig statement on NN” which shall be presented during the Plenary session. Objective 1 (organisation of NN Plenary): on hold for the moment as heavily dependent upon dynamic and advancement of Objective 2 Objective 2 (Eurodig Statement on NN): - Frederic provided context wrt objective of Eurodig this year (see also mail of April 3 attached below. He also recalled that this process is not aimed at becoming a petition or text with signatories (even though stakeholders if they so wish would be free to take over wording of it when text is released). Objective is to obtain consensus on the text and turn it into a "Eurodig outcome on NN”. - Initial suggestion is to develop an approach aimed at reaching consensus on perspectives which would cover the diversity of stakeholders, interests and principles wrt NN. This would among others include end-users, Human rights and businesses. - Additional suggestions included: — Existing or past initiatives to be considered by the org. team as, e.g., “Eurodig Internet Neutrality Declaration” shared by Nebojsa, RFC on NN by DCNN (IGF Dynamic Coalition on NN) shared by Luca- who also recalled that Eurodig workshop on NN in 2014 adopted bullets points (pointers shared with this group by Luca) — Develop basic Eurodig statements on uncontroversial policy principles — share discussions of this group with DCNN mailing list
C. Way forward:
The Org. team agreed to further proceed with an approach based on several angles/perspectives of NN which would cover Businesses (both ISPs and content providers), End-users, Human Rights, Technical perspectives and/or definitions (Paid Prioritization, Managed services, etc.), as well as commonly agreed principles. It was decided not to further discuss on whether or not "End-users” perspective should be considered as an intrinsic part of the "Human Rights” angle and hence be handled under the same cover. Some Org team members volunteered to take the lead on some specific angles with a view to launch the drafting of each specific agreed perspective. The decision to further proceed with one leader for each of the agreed angles is a pragmatic way to ensure that the drafting process is being launched and taken care of. The drafting process itself is open and inclusive as per the nature of the Eurodig process. Finally, it is agreed that each angle/perspective should be no longer than one or two paragraphs.
The members of the org team who have volunteered to take care of some specific topics are: - Luca Belli: Human Rights perspectives - Luca Belli: End-users perspectives - Thomas Grob: Business perspectives - TBD: Technical perspectives - TBD: Commonly agreed definitions (and principles)
The above-mentioned leaderships are subject to a final consensus within the Org Team as soon as the Org Team has reached its extended number of participants following the Org.Team suggestions to ensure full inclusiveness to our work (see #A above)
D. Next steps and Milestones
April 14: Comments (if any) on these minutes April 14: Consensus on text submitted under “D” above April 17: Invitation and (hopefully) inclusion of new Members to the Org Team as per “A” above April 21: Conference Call of the (extended) Org team and Eurodig Secretariat.