Talk:How can the open Internet coexist with new IP services? – PL 03 2015

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Open call for input: comment on our multistakeholder draft statement on net neutrality

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Minutes telco May 14 & May 22

Org.Team

Present (Alphabetical order by name) Luca Belli, Frederic Donck (Chair), Thomas Grob, Lorena Jaume-Palasi (Eurodig Sec.), Wouter Gekiere, Yasen Gyurov, Seth Johnson, Gonzalo Lopez Barajashude Apologies: Erika Mann, Michael Kende, Mat Ford, Andy O'Donnel

A. General

The Org. team discussed the process which should be followed in order to build the consensus on the present paper during the Eurodig Conference in Sofia. The scenario is to hold a first meeting on the first day which would offer this team and the Eurodig Sec. the opportunity to explain to the Eurodig Community both the objectives of this process and the process itself . The Panel on NN will offer a second opportunity to refer to the Paper and finally a slot on the second day (likely just after lunch) will allow for a final presentation of the Paper and an assessment on where we are re: the possibility to reach a consensus. References were made to the process in place wrt the Dynamic Coalition Paper as well as to the need to ensure synergy with the IGF.

Some participants within the Org. Team stated that it would be impossible to reconcile opinions between Human Rights activitists and Businesses especially wrt “equal treatment” of traffic and the non discrimination criteria. Some suggested to craft the document into different statements from different groups of stakeholders which would then be a collection of different statements and would not aim at representing a consensus. This option has been rejected by most participants as the objective of this Group is still to keep pursuing the ambitious objective of agreeing on a document that could reach consensus. The last call of the Org. Team (22 May) allowed to address again the issue re: adopting the document by consensus and the Org Team *unanimously* recalled that the objective of this Group remains to obtain a consensus on the draft Paper. Most participants underlined that they did not see anything unsolvable.

The Chair recalled the principles behind adopting the paper by consensus which, in substance, mean that only strong objections to the paper (or some part of it) will be taken into consideration.

B. Eurodig Panel

The Org. Team confirmed its agreement on the title and the composition of the Eurodig Panel. 1. Title: “How can the Open Internet co-exist with new IP services?" 2. Composition of the Panel (Alphabetical order by name):

• Amelia Andersdotte (FITUG)
• Luca Belli (Center for Technology & Society @ Fundaçao Getulio Vargas)
• Eva Paunova (Member of the European Parliament)
• Frode Sørensen (Norwegian Post and Telecommunication Authority)
• Christoph Steck (Telefonica)

Moderator: Frederic Donck (ISOC) Remote Moderator: Lianna Galstyan (ISOC Armenia)

The Org Team agreed that each Panelist will share in advance with the moderator those issues and/or questions that he/she would like to be addressed during the session. Deadline: Thu 28 May

C. Next steps

The Org Team confirmed that the deadline for comments will end on Monday 25 May COB The Org. team will then review the comments during the next call on Wed 27th May. It will be up to each volunteer of the Org Team to sum up the comments and to present the paragraphs for discussion. Next call:Wed 27th May, 2.30 PM CEST (12.30 UTC)

Minutes telco May 4th 2015

Org.Team

Present (Alphabetical order by name)

• Luca Belli
• Frederic Donck (Chair)
• Mat Ford
• Wouter Gekiere
• Thomas Grob
• Lorena Jaume-Palasi (Eurodig Sec.)
• Seth Johnson
• Michael Kende
• Gonzalo Lopez Barajashude
• Andy O'Donnel

Apologies: Erika Mann, Yasen Gyurov

A. General

• Composition and openness of the Org Team: the Chair recalled that the Org. team- whose membership has been open to all members’ participation in a very transparent and inclusive way- is still open for new comers. This said, the Org Team has already agreed on tasks and responsibilities, including as concerns the lead for drafting the document which is currently open for everyone to comment. Everybody is of course invited to all conference calls and should not feel excluded by the fact that the drafting team has been already assigned.
• The Org. Team discussed the deadline(s) for comments wrt the on-going drafting process. It has been agreed that the suggested date of May 21 for closing the ability to comment on the document should be extended until May 24. The following process has been agreed upon:
  • Final deadline for all stakeholders to comment on the draft: May 24.
  • Consolidation period: The Org. Team will spend the week of 25 May to take all comments on board and consolidate the text into a final draft.
  • The final draft will published ahead of the Eurodig event, i.e. likely on Monday 1 June, so that all stakeholders are fully informed of the consolidated text which will be submitted during the Eurodig event in Sofia.
  • The Chair will exchange with the Eurodig Sec. on the best process (including appropriate slots) during the Eurodig Event wrt the organization of the approval of the proposed text, and will report back to this group during our next call. The likely scenario would include: (1) a pre-session (Day 1) which would allow the Org. Team and the Eurodig Sec.to introduce the Paper and the process for its adoption by consensus; (2) the Panel on NN which would allow for a broader conversation on NN (incl. providing answers to specific issues covered by the draft Eurodig statement) and (3) a specific slot after the NN Panel session (tbc) for the Paper to be agreed by consensus.

B. Review of the 4 topics

The Org.Team agreed that the on-going work performed here needs to take into account and be compatible with works already performed on the same topic in other fora (as e.g. IGF). The draft Eurodig statement is, admittedly, to be considered as a milestone within an overall conversation on NN at global and international level. This said it has been recognized that the primary focus of this work, while taking into account that the objective is to submit a concrete outcome to the coming IGF, is to achieve a consensus among stakeholders at European level. The Org. Team reviewed and discussed each of the 4 topics in a very open manner and most comments focussed on “non discrimination” principles in the Human Right, End-Users and Business sections. The Org. team recalled once again that any comments should be made in the body of the text and referred to our previous calls where the “Genius" tool was introduced. It was agreed that most of the conversation in the next coming two weeks will have to take place on-line (including on issues that were discussed during this call) so that the whole drafting process is as transparent and as inclusive as possible and would allow the entire Eurodig community to contribute.

C. Eurodig Panel

The Org. Team confirmed its agreement on the format of the Eurodig Panel on NN which will take place in Sofia (see previous minutes) and continued to exchange on potential panelists’ s names. The Chair will collect the names suggested going forward, and share on the Pl3 list.

D. Next steps

Next call: Thu. 14th May, 4.00 PM CEST (2.00 PM UTC)- data for the call will be shared in due course with this list and on the wiki.

Minutes telco April 29th 2015

Org.Team

Present (Alphabetical order by name)

• Luca Belli
• Frederic Donck (Chair)
• Mat Ford
• Thomas Grob
• Yasen Gyurov
• Lorena Jaume-Palasi (Eurodig Sec.)
• Gonzalo Lopez Barajashude
• Apologies: Erika Mann

A. Review of the 4 topics

A.1. Human Rights (Luca Belli)

Luca briefly presented the draft on HR while emphasizing that the wording was extracted from the current discussion/draft statements from the Dynamic Coalition. The Chair opened the floor for comments with a view to collect the Org. Team first thoughts on this contribution as well as to ensure consistency wrt format of the 4 contributions. In order to achieve consistency wrt our goals for the Eurodig Statement, the Org Team agreed that each contribution should strictly focus on its related topic and in this case on HR related issues (ie. the part not strictly referring to HR should be removed) and that the text should be shortened as to reach the ideal objective of two paragraphs per topic.

A.2. Business (Thomas Grob)

Thomas briefly presented the paras which were prepared in coordination between DT, Telefonica and Facebook. After some preliminary discussion within the org.team, it was agreed a.o. that the non discrimination criteria would be added to the proposed draft.

A.3. End users (Mat Ford)

Mat Ford presented the draft text. It was agreed that the important notion of “sharing" content (on top of “accessing" content) would be added to the draft as well as the reference to traffic being treated in a "non discriminatory” manner instead of a “neutral” manner.

A.4. Technical Definitions (Mat Ford and Luca Belli)

After the presentation by Mat Ford and Luca Belli, the Group discussed some aspects of Specialized services vs Internet including the fact that some services which might be operated on a ISP network with a guaranteed QoS might also be accessible via the global Internet- although some contributors added that such services should not substitute services already existing on the Internet. The Org Team agreed to add a reference to the fact that Specialized Services might be delivered on the same infrastructure as the Internet itself.

B. Process to comment on the proposed texts

Lorena made an overall presentation of the tool (“Genius”) which will allow all stakeholders -including each individual within the Org. team- to make comments on the first submitted drafts. As said before, this will imply that each contributor should be registered within Genius (but this would not impede him/her not to disclose his/her name while posting a comment- this is of course a legitimate option for everybody to consider but we would generally advise that each contributor indicates his/her name and/or affiliation while commenting so that everybody can have a better idea on the inclusiveness and representativity of the stakeholders groups during this process). Lorena also indicated that this online tool will be moderated. She will also post a very user-friendly FAQ on the Eurodig Website so as to allow for a very open and easy collaborative process going forward.

The Org team agreed that all stakeholders should comment on the very same texts. For sake of both transparency and manageability, it was agreed that the initial texts which have been submitted to this group will be posted and accessible to all but that a reference will be posted indicating that revised texts will be posted very soon. We would advise that all stakeholders would post their comments on the the texts that will be reviewed rapidly after the present call so that they include the comments already made by the Org. team during our call. The deadline for this first revision by each leader of the topics is Thursday 30 April COB CEST. The Eurodig secretariat will then publish the revised texts on the Eurodig Website and open them for comments to the Community.

C. Eurodig Panel

The Org. Team discussed both the Format and Composition of the Eurodig Panel on NN which will take place in Sofia. After some brainstorming on the best format for such a panel, it has been agreed that the Panel should address NN in a very informative way and that the Plenary Session would not be driven in a way that would necessarily reflect, in its format, the 4 topics that are being currently worked out by the Org Team. It has been requested that the Chair investigates with the Eurodig secretariat on the best moment and the best slot during the Eurodig two-days event, to organise a short session that would allow for the adoption by consensus of the Eurodig Statement on NN.

As concerns the composition of this Panel, the Org. team is still collecting ideas and proposals re: the names of Panelists and invites everybody to suggest individuals. Luca Belli and Telefonica have added names to be considered by this group.

D. Next steps

April 30, COB CEST: reviewed texts submitted to Eurodig secretariat April 30/May 1: publication for comments

Minutes telco April 21st 2015

Org.Team

• Present (Alphabetical order by name)
  • Luca Belli
  • Frederic Donck (Chair)
  • Mat Ford
  • Thomas Grob
  • Yasen Gyurov (2d half)
  • Lorena Jaume-Palasi (Eurodig Sec.)
  • Gonzalo Lopez Barajashude
  • Erika Mann
  • Andy O'Donnell
• Apologies: Michael Kende, Konstantinos Komaitis, Nebojsa Regoje

Agreed that the session is being recorded. Minutes will be published on the (Eurodig) wiki

A. Composition and Inclusiveness of the Org. team

Following last call decision to extend participation to this Org. team, we have:

• Welcomed Facebook representatives as new members of the Org. team (Erika and Andy)
• Acknowledged that CDT will not contribute to this 2015 Eurodig, hence is not going to contribute to this group.
• Taken note that Google and EDRI answers to join the group are still on hold: check availability (ACTION: FD/LB)

We have also agreed that we would limit this group to an efficient number of participants, and this does imply that we would admit maximum 2 or 3 additional participants to the Org.Team (suggested names: EDRI/Quadrature du Net/Global Partners- ACTION: LB & LJP) Of course, in no way, would this impede *any* stakeholder to contribute to the work of this group as all our minutes and our drafts will be published and open to external contributions.

B. Objectives

The Org. Team has clarified the two objectives assigned to it, and in particular what it is that we want to achieve and how we would get there.

B.1. Objective 1. Coordination of the drafting of an “Eurodig statement on NN” The Org. team confirmed its agreement to further proceed with an approach based on specific angles/perspectives of NN which would cover Businesses, End-users, Human Rights, Technical perspectives and/or commonly agreed definitions (Internet Services, Managed/specialized services, etc..) The overall objective is to discuss and then submit a draft covering the above-mentioned topics during the Eurodig NN Plenary in June in order for the Eurodig Community to agree, by consensus, on a "Eurodig Statement on NN". The drafting process will be as transparent and as inclusive as possible so that all the Eurodig stakeholders are aware of it and that the conversation in Sofia is an informed and open one on issues which are, hopefully, already clarified- and as the case may be, which already reached consensus during the present process. During this preparation phase, controversial issues and potential disagreements will have to be handled in a way that would lead to an acceptable language for most of, if not all the parties, in the drafting process ("consensus driven approach”). This said, if the intention is to clearly obtain a consensus on all the issues being discussed, one also might need to consider a situation where no consensus is reached on a specific topic or a particular wording which would best describe it, and this would need to be acknowledged as such in the outcome of this conversation.

B.1. Process Each of the proposed topics shall be “driven" by a specific volunteer within the Org.Team, who will take responsibility for:

• proposing a first draft on the topic
• sharing with this group, which will then discuss it during the Org.Team’s calls.
• sharing with the Eurodig Secretariat for publication
• reporting to the Org Team on the amendments proposed by stakeholders during the drafting process and suggest, as the case may be, a wording that would reconcile divergent views/comments
• including amendments and modifications agreed by the Org.Team

Each topic is open to contribution from each participant of this group, and when published, from each and every stakeholder. We agreed that each topic should be no longer than two paragraphs (except for the topic covering "technical definitions", see below)

B.1. Overall Deadline The present drafting process as well as the ability for stakeholders to comment on the drafts will be closed on May 22, 2015, COB (CET) The different milestones and drafts in the drafting process will be shared and published. The first drafts shall be ready by the Org.Team's next call, which means that they will be shared with this group and the Eurodig Secretariat by Tuesday 28 April COB (CET)

B.1. Drafting Responsibilities/Topics

• Human Rights: Luca Belli
• End-Users: Mat Ford (Nebojsa Reboge also expressed interest to join the drafting process)
• Business: Thomas Grob
• Technical Perspectives/definitions: Mat Ford/Luca Belli. (*)

(*) As concerns topic #4 “Technical Perspectives/definitions” the Org. Team exchanged ideas on the best way to drive such an important topic. The Group agreed that no more than 5 or 6 issues should be addressed and further defined. Among those issues, the group agreed to address “Specialized/Managed services”, "Internet Services", “Transit". Other concepts (as, e.g. paid peering, paid prioritization) to be suggested by the two volunteers of this Group (Mat Ford/Luca Belli). We also agreed to check the work already done by other stakeholders as the IGF Dynamic Coalition on NN (Action: Luca Belli). Other existing technical definitions will also be brought to this group (e.g.IETF/Action: Mat Ford)

B.2. Objective 2 (organisation of NN Plenary): The Org.Team will start collecting names and suggestions for the Plenary session is Sofia. The format of the Plenary session and related issues will be addressed in due time. The Org.Team recognizes that an ad hoc funding might also be an issue to address when considering panelists to be invited to the NN Plenary in Sofia. On a very pragmatic way, the Eurodig Secretariat will share an up-dated registration list with the Org.Team on a regular basis, so that the Org Team can take informed decision as concerns potential panelists. Last but not least, the Org.Team acknowledged reception of the suggestions made by Yasen Gyurov.

Way Forward

The Org.Team agreed on the critical importance of a very transparent and inclusive process for our work. In order to achieve this, the following suggestions have been considered and agreed upon:

• Eurodig Wiki to include regular and up-dated information on our work and progress, incl. the minutes of our meetings.
• As concerns the drafting process (Objective 1), the wiki has been considered too complex a tool to enable an adequate and user-friendly participation of stakeholders. The Eurodig Secretariat has referred to an on-line tool (“Genius”) which would allow for a more efficient and inclusive participation.

Lorena gave us details on this online tool and its functioning, incl. the need to log in before being able to comment or suggest modification to the proposed drafts, and the merits of such a process. Action: Eurodig Secretariat to share demo of this tool with the Org.Team and the Eurodig Community. In the meantime, the drafts of this team will be shared with the Eurodig Secretariat which will take care of their publication.

• Each Member of the Org. Team shall share information about our work (i.e.Eurodig wiki & “Genius” link when available) and the objectives of it through his/her own channels and mailing lists (e.g.: policy-, IG-mailing lists, etc.). We agreed that a direct approach to key stakeholders in our community is a must. The Org. Team invites each and every stakeholder to perform a similar campaign.
• As concerns Social media, the suggested hashtags for our work are:

1. NetNeutrality
2. EurodigNN

D. Next steps & Milestones

April 28 (COB): Each leader to share its draft with the Org.Team and the Eurodig Sec. April 29 (15.00 CET/1.00 PM UTC): Conference Call Org.Team May 15: Deadline for agreement on Panelists/Moderator/Remote Moderator of NN Panel in Sofia

Minutes telco April 10th 2015

Present (Alphabetical order by name)

• Luca Belli
• Frederic Donck (FP)
• Mat Ford
• Thomas Grob
• Yasen Gyurov
• Lorena Jaume-Palasi (Eurodig Sec.)
• Michael Kende
• Gonzalo Lopez Barajashude
• Nebojsa Regoje

Composition and Inclusiveness of the Org. team

1. Agreed to extend the org. team to more reps of civil society, start ups, Internet businesses, Academics. By the end of the week, invitations to be launched to — EDRI; Academics (C.Mardsen): Luca — Bulgarian Start up: Yasen — CDT: Frederic — Google: Frederic — Quadrature: Lorena — Allied fro Startups: Lorena

2. Agreed that all means will be used to ensure full inclusiveness and transparency of the process: Eurodig secretariat to provide open and accessible tools for drafting process and ability to post and/or vote on comments (wiki, genius). Eurodig Secretariat to ensure publicity and open campaign about the existence of such a process (social media, hashtags, etc.). Each Member of the Org. team to ensure his related communities are being fully informed and invited to contribute-though own specific channels (eg. Luca though IGF dynamic coalition, Frederic through ISOC membership, etc.).

B. Objectives

Objectives are two-fold as not only is the org.team responsible with the organisation of the Plenary session in Sofia but also with the coordination of the drafting of an “Eurodig statement on NN” which shall be presented during the Plenary session. Objective 1 (organisation of NN Plenary): on hold for the moment as heavily dependent upon dynamic and advancement of Objective 2 Objective 2 (Eurodig Statement on NN): - Frederic provided context wrt objective of Eurodig this year (see also mail of April 3 attached below. He also recalled that this process is not aimed at becoming a petition or text with signatories (even though stakeholders if they so wish would be free to take over wording of it when text is released). Objective is to obtain consensus on the text and turn it into a "Eurodig outcome on NN”. - Initial suggestion is to develop an approach aimed at reaching consensus on perspectives which would cover the diversity of stakeholders, interests and principles wrt NN. This would among others include end-users, Human rights and businesses. - Additional suggestions included: — Existing or past initiatives to be considered by the org. team as, e.g., “Eurodig Internet Neutrality Declaration” shared by Nebojsa, RFC on NN by DCNN (IGF Dynamic Coalition on NN) shared by Luca- who also recalled that Eurodig workshop on NN in 2014 adopted bullets points (pointers shared with this group by Luca) — Develop basic Eurodig statements on uncontroversial policy principles — share discussions of this group with DCNN mailing list

C. Way forward

The Org. team agreed to further proceed with an approach based on several angles/perspectives of NN which would cover Businesses (both ISPs and content providers), End-users, Human Rights, Technical perspectives and/or definitions (Paid Prioritization, Managed services, etc.), as well as commonly agreed principles. It was decided not to further discuss on whether or not "End-users” perspective should be considered as an intrinsic part of the "Human Rights” angle and hence be handled under the same cover. Some Org team members volunteered to take the lead on some specific angles with a view to launch the drafting of each specific agreed perspective. The decision to further proceed with one leader for each of the agreed angles is a pragmatic way to ensure that the drafting process is being launched and taken care of. The drafting process itself is open and inclusive as per the nature of the Eurodig process. Finally, it is agreed that each angle/perspective should be no longer than one or two paragraphs.

The members of the org team who have volunteered to take care of some specific topics are: - Luca Belli: Human Rights perspectives - Luca Belli: End-users perspectives - Thomas Grob: Business perspectives - TBD: Technical perspectives - TBD: Commonly agreed definitions (and principles)

The above-mentioned leaderships are subject to a final consensus within the Org Team as soon as the Org Team has reached its extended number of participants following the Org.Team suggestions to ensure full inclusiveness to our work (see #A above)

D. Next steps and Milestones

April 14: Comments (if any) on these minutes April 14: Consensus on text submitted under “D” above April 17: Invitation and (hopefully) inclusion of new Members to the Org Team as per “A” above April 21: Conference Call of the (extended) Org team and Eurodig Secretariat.