5G – the opportunities and obstacles – PL 01 2020

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12 June 2020 | 10:00-11:00 | Studio The Hague | Video recording | Transcript | Forum
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Session teaser

5G connectivity is one of the fundamental enablers of the data economy, paving the way for massive Internet of Things (IoT) applications and new services. However, 5G doesn’t happen on its own – who is involved? What environment is required?

Session description

5G is one of the most talked-about (and least understood!) technologies that will form the infrastructure of the digital economy and society. When it is fully deployed and in use, it promises fast, safe and reliable communications experiences. Beyond this, 5G will be experienced by consumers and industry in new services and applications – smart cities, connected cars, public health and services, smart factories… Indeed, the potential of 5G is already seeing cooperation between sectors, as the technology promises value-creating innovation in a broad range of industries, and solutions to pressing issues such as climate change.

But what do we need to do to get there? What obstacles stand in the way of such potential?

This session will explore the real-world applications of 5G, as we hear from only some of the companies who are rolling out the technology (Huawei, Orange), as well as engaging in developing services and partnerships to realise the potential (Orange). We will also hear from the European Broadcasting Union, speaking about different applications, not just commercial, such as the importance of 5G for broadcasting and other public services.

5G will require a new level of cooperation between governments, business, and civil society, as well as from other actors such as standardisation bodies. And indeed, regulation, standards, questions about security, investment gaps all pose important questions to the successful roll-out of 5G. Representatives from the European Commission and standardisation community will provide their perspectives on these issues, highlighting not only the potential of the technology from their standpoint, but also the obstacles and issues which stand in the way of us getting there.

Format

Panel style opening remarks followed questions through moderator, and open Q&A at end

  • Introduction – moderator (5”)
  • Introductory statement by Falko Mohrs, Member of the German Bundestag and Member of the Committee on the Digital Agenda (5”)
  • Introductory remarks from panel speakers (5” per speaker: 20”)
  • Moderator questions to panel (10”)
  • Q&A questions from audience through moderator (20”)

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People

Focal Point

  • Ross Creelman, Public Policy Officer, European Telecommunications Network Operators’ Association (ETNO)

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  • Eva Christina Andersson
  • Roberto Gaetano
  • Domenico Alfieri
  • Miloud El Idrissi
  • Riccardo Nanni
  • Gratiela Dumitrescu
  • Viveka Bonde
  • Ermanno Pietrosemoli
  • Debora Cerro Fernandez
  • Fotjon Kosta
  • Gianfranco Ciccarella
  • Giacomo Mazzone
  • Sebastiaan Berting
  • Pierpaolo Marchese

Key Participants

  • Falko Mohrs, Member of the German Bundestag and Member of the Committee on the Digital Agenda
    Introductory statement
  • Jehanne Savi, Orange, Senior VP Innovation for Future Connectivity Business
  • Cao Hui, Huawei, Director of Strategy and Cooperation, Huawei Europe
  • Andrea Halmos, European Commission, Policy Offier, Smart Mobility and Living (DG CONNECT)
  • Elena Puigrefagut, EBU
  • Pierpaolo Marchese, Independent ICT consultant

Moderator

Nigel Hickson, Internet Policy Consulatant

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Messages

  • 5G reinforces the foundation for digital transformation by offering new ways to innovate and create new business models based on real time availability of data.
  • 5G has significant potential to increase sustainability, especially in urban environments, by allowing them to reduce energy consumption and by enabling a new generation of digital services and solutions for cities.
  • Collaborating on the elaboration of 5G standards is key to ensure interoperable data/IoT solutions and to promote the security of the 5G ecosystem.


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Video record

https://youtu.be/XvCciO9lYX0?t=2782

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>> SANDRA HOFERICHTER: We are going to continue in the studio of The Hague now. That’s the Plenary, and without further delay I would hand it over to my colleague Nadia. Inadequate.

Nice to see you.

>> NADIA TJAHJA: Good morning! How are you?

>> SANDRA HOFERICHTER: Fine. I hope you had a good rest last night.

>> NADIA TJAHJA: We had a really good night. We’re fully energized, ready to go.

>> SANDRA HOFERICHTER: Okay. Then Nadia, please open the studio and introduce the Plenary.

Over to you.

>> NADIA TJAHJA: Thank you very much. For those that have not met me, I’m Nadia Tjahja and I’m the studio host here to help you with any technical assistance you may need in the sessions W me in the studio as well is Auke.

>> AUKE PALS: I’m your remote moderator for today and also happy to see you today.

>> NADIA TJAHJA: Because EuroDIG is such a platform in which so many people from all around the world are coming together, we want to make sure that you have all the opportunities to participate and, therefore, we have a code of conduct to ensure that we can all actively engage because the dialogue both in the conversations, but also in the chat have been really inspiring over the last few days. I do encourage you to deep participating in all – copy participating in the platforms, whether you’re on live stream with a forum or whether or not you’re joining us in the studios. To start with, when you entered the room, you will – you can see the name on the participant list. Please write your full name by clicking on more next to the name and renaming yourself.

Because we do want to foster dialogue, please raise your hand so we know you would like to speak and participate in the dialogue.

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So, without further ado, I would like to introduce Plenary 1 on 5G ‑ The Opportunities and Obstacles and your moderator Nigel.

>> MODERATOR: Good morning. Can you hear me? Oh, yes! Nothing like that! It is absolutely delightful to be here so to speak – but not to be here but to be with you. I do not know what an internet policy consultant is, I never have been one of those before! It is fantastic to take part in EuroDIG. Many congratulations to all of you that have made this possible. Fantastic facilitation, fantastic backup, fantastic staffers as usual. Yeah. This is going to be a very interesting session indeed, we have got some super speakers lined up, it seems unusual not to be able to sort of see the speakers on Chairs, being able to share their hands, having could have if which them. That’s a shame. It is good to be able to take part. I don’t know if it is possible – yeah. I can’t see myself. I don’t need to see myself really, no.

>> I’ll just go on and introduce the speakers. The session this morning, it is about 5G. If you’re in the wrong room – that’s Plenary 1, that’s where we are. Stay in Plenary 1, we’ll have a good time over the next hour. Essentially this is about 5G itself, the fundamental enable of the data economy. They say we’ll pave the way for massive deployment of the Internet of Things, new applications, new service, but, of course, 5G doesn’t just happen on its own, it takes preparation, organization to take part. I think what’s important here, this is why it is great to have this Plenary, 5G has caught the imagination perhaps as 3G and 4G didn’t. It has caught the imagination, people are really keen to discuss it, understand it better. What better opportunity than this morning. In terms of the panel this morning, I will just run through who we have and then I’ll tell them to start and then we can go from then.

First of all, I want to – I’ll introduce Felix Kirchmeier, a Head of Unit Media Convergence & Social Media, DG CONNECT, European Commission, then we’ll go to Cao Hui, Director of Strategy and Cooperation, Huawei, Director of Strategy and Cooperation, Huawei Europe, it is a pleasure to have him as well, then we have Jehanne Savi, Orange, Senior VP Innovation for Future Connectivity Business and then Pierpaolo Marchese, Independent ICT consultant, he’s on the Board of Directors there, then Andrea Halmos, from European Commission, Policy Offier, Smart Mobility and Living, DG CONNECT, I think I did it different than the introduction, I’m happy to go with the order of the slide here. That’s fantastic.

Number one, Falko. In the next 5 minutes, you’re on the floor. Tell us a bit about what’s happening in Germany in terms of 5G? Thank you.

>> FALKO MOHRS: Thank you for organizing the panel in the last days, from what I have seen, it has been fantastic so far. Thanks a lot.

I was asked to focus on what’s happening in the German debate on 5G and focusing in particular on the security. I do believe I don’t have to convince anyone here that 5G is a super important infrastructure for the future and it is very critical, substantive in the same time.

I call it a network for our social life, for our industry, for the economy, for traffic, for electricity, so that is part of the daily, also a critical life. We’ll have 5G as the background of the network, and it is extremely important that we build, we design in a way that it is protected, I believe it is now important than this question now..

I will add to the short introduction, over the past months, it has been both clear to everyone, you see everyone that we need to focus on – I’m sorry, obviously – from the European point of view.

>> We have to make sure we have the tapping the capacities, when it comes to production capacities, knowledge capacities, we have to make sure that we have a – we have the particular element, such as the 5G network. I have seen in the past year, from different countries, from different states, that they have been moving forward when it comes to cybersecurity laws in regard to 5G, we see that the United States – it has excluded hardware components. We see a shift in the debate. We have seen in the Chinese, the cybersecurity law that for example, personal data, important data, that are collected and generated in China and needs to be stored in China. Much is based on Chinese hardware, we have seen all over the world that the countries, they are very much aware of the critical dimension of 5G. At this very moment, I think we need to make sure that we design and build our network 5G as the upcoming generation, but not only 5G, but to the fiber infrastructure, we have designed and built it in a way that we keep it safe and while – we must say as safe as possible. We need to mitigate that risk..

There is one dimension of making it in a technical way and we review, where we ordered on a permanent basis before and after the network is built, the security, the integrity of the network. Having said that, we need to do it on technical basis, I also must mention that the technical basis will not be enough. I am and we do have a debate in that in Germany, I’m convince that had we also need to have a political dimension that we need to have a political review and audit process of manufacturers where we ensure that the system that we build is free – free of – I would say risk breaches or sabotaged from countries outside of Italy, Germany, the European region. In particular, we have to make sure we don’t have any security breaches from countries that are based on a non‑legal status. I think I’m very clear here that we are looking on a wide‑spread approach and a legal based approach. If we see that such an important infrastructure can be manipulated by suppliers and countries that do not meet our legal standards and requirement that it will pose a tremendous threat on Germany and Europe as a whole.

>> Good points and we’ll come back to the sovereignty piston, I love that word! I looked it up. I understand what it means. We can come back to that later. M.

Can we go on now. Can we go back to Jehanne, we’ll go to the order of the slides. That’s okay. Good to be with you today. You’ll talk a little bit about the expectations of customers of 5G, what they are, the value proposition for 5G. Take the floor.

>> JEHENNE SAVI: Thank you very much. Can you hear me? Is it fine?

>> MODERATOR: Yes.

>> JEHENNE SAVI: I will focus on the needs, what we expect 5G to bring further to 4G as a real opportunity for incremental business and for dealing with new needs from our customers. We consider, we believe it is not just incremental stuff, but it is really destructive, new needs, so the basics, it is the first to serve these needs and the first one, it is in huge through‑puts, huge data management, management needs. Here, 5G, it is obviously answering to that need, and more or less the quality that we can expect from fiber, and it is more important that we will be able to also with 5G to have different qualities of service, even in on a on‑demand fiber promise, quality on demand, that I would emphasize as the promise of the criteria. As we have said with the – seen with the COVID‑19 lesson, mixing usage of professional and personal type, especially as mobile, then it becomes real worse premising and if we’re also of course first focused on the economics, able to be monetized.

What I want to emphasize also on the level of expectations, it is very important that we serve the clear expectation of our customers and to that respect I think Orange is quite – is quite publicly engaged publicly committed to reduce its CO2 emissions by 30%. Since 5G will help this consumption to be reduced, and while the traffic is going, then it is real important that this technology is let’s say green or real efficient on that level as well as on the economic and the cost effectiveness level. It is an expectation Big Data from ourselves and from our customers.

Let’s focus now on the customers. We consider, indeed, that the main – that the main market is the enterprise market, the DBT market, it is where we have really new needs that we may, of course, hope to monetize, why is it so? It is because it is really serving the digital transformation and the ability to innovate and to differentiate thanks to the innovations and in a cost‑effective way of course, it is quite of use. Innovative on the level of their production as well as on the level of the customer experience that they’re bringing.

To that respect, I will maybe illustrate by some use cases, some co-innovation, we have in Orange, with our key customers, also with our big customers in the industry, since we focus mainly here on industry, transport, but not to forget, we have also interesting use cases and opportunities on the telemedicine, that’s become a concern at the right level and smart cities also could be an interesting use case.

I will maybe illustrate with this, but not to be restrictive – restrictive, of course.

What I want just to say in these examples, it is very important also to provide for customers and end‑to‑end value for problem significances. I quoted that 5G is really answering this. We have data management, source and realtime, and it is also to be combined with the fiber and computing types of technology, to really be able to answer to that.

As examples –

>> MODERATOR: Could we perhaps come back to the examples later? I’m keen to get everyone introduced and then we’ll come back to some of those examples later. Thank you. That’s very Good of you.

So, Cao, perhaps –

>> JEHENNE SAVI: If you don’t mind, I would like to come back to our expectations for the industry for the ecosystem and –

>> MODERATOR: Right. Yes. We want to hear about the expectations of this new evolving technological development.

Cao, perhaps you can tell us about what the strategy of Huawei is and Huawei never out of the news, and it is really Good to have you here. The floor is yours.

>> CAO HUI: Thank you. Good morning. This year is a special year for all of us, but particularly for Huawei. Not only because of the unprecedented pressures of Huawei but this year, it is Huawei’s anniversary for doing business in Europe and so during the past two decades, Huawei maintained a good track of record in terms of the operation in the Europe market. We keep improving connectivity from 3G to 4G and now it is 5G to support new working operators to deliver high performance services to meet European consumers while there is affordable prices for everyone.

We’re proud of supporting many European operators during the pandemic, ensuring good quality of the internet services. Coming to today, Huawei has more than 14,000 employees in Europe and also we are supporting roughly 170 jobs in Europe as well or indirectly through the supply chain. Working with more than 3,000 suppliers and more than 300 service partners. Those are.

This is one of the most coordinated industries globally. The 5G knowledge, it is a result of the global cooperation, a joint effort – a joint efforts of experts across the world, especially from Europe, North American, Asia‑Pacific who worked together for this advanced technology. All vender solutions actually are global achievements. Huawei is sharing the 5G together with other 7 companies as one of the major contributors. So looking at the supply chain, it is not in everyone’s interest and equal harm to industry players. We’re keeping during the past 20 years, we’re keeping, contributing to European innovations setting up more than 23IND facilities across Europe to conduct research cooperation with European academics and also with research institutions. We have entered the technology copartnership with more than 230 researchers and experts and also over 150 academic distributions in Europe.

We are in part of the applicant’s ranking in 2019 according to European Patent office’s latest statistics, we march ahead of other ICT companies who is doing digital, in particular in a Europe market.

Obviously, we have carried out many joint innovation with major European equipment and activities with the Europe digital economy.

Coming to cybersecurity, Huawei fully supports with the E.U. and Member States to ensure the security of the 5G methods. We have set up cybersecurity transparency center in Brussels sells and also two cybersecurity centers in the UKCIS and Germany respectively. However, the country of origin, it is not relevant for assessing risk. Manufacturing, RND, procurement, our global line, determining risk based on the country of origin and the damage, the business reputation without appropriately addressing threats. The country of other again, it could be illegal, determining risk, it may result in discrimination and trade barriers, violating applicable WTO and E.U. laws. To effectively upgrade the security of a 5G network we need to address the risk through a series of negligible and verifiable criteria taking into account the global nature of the supply chain, all vendors who are subject to the same strict standards and evaluations. The decision on who is a risk must be based on transparent, non‑discriminatory and proportionate criteria applied coherently across the E.U. so we call on Member States to set up a clear lane and act in the legal framework of international laws and agreements to further ensure robust 5G support of supply chain while we also announced recently our plan to build a 5G manufacturing plant in France. This is a concrete contribution to Europe digital sovereignty.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you. If that’s okay, we’ll – Cao, I’m sure you have more to tell us, what you have told us already has been absolutely fascinating. If we could, we’ll come back to some of those cybersecurity points. Many congratulations.

Thank you very much.

Could we go on to Andrea Halmos. NDG CONNECT Smart Mobility and Living – I think that’s an excellent job title to have, isn’t it? Smart Mobility and Living. I bet you have a good time at work! Tell us more!

>> ANDREA HALMOS: Thank you. Thank you very much for inviting me.

Indeed, I was asked to actually give a very quick overview on where the commission is planning to go in 5G and then, of course, go on and explain why Smart Cities is a very promising vertical for this technology.

As you all know, of course, 5G is considered and reconfirmed by the new commission as a key technological enabler and we have seen it both in the commissioner and the President’s strategy, but also in a recent digital strategy that came out from Dig – from D G CONNECT this year. We have looked at concrete verticals where this is most promising and particularly through the 5G action plan, a number of verticals have been looked at and as you know, Member States by the end of this year are asked to identify and to have at least one city actually implementing commercial 5G and so we’re on the road to achieve that objective.

In addition to that, because also looking at different verticals, we’re working on a number of standards and following a number of standards and we know that we have a standard expert in the panel, he may talk about those later.

Looking at also increasing the investment in 5G infrastructure. As you know, we’re first of all in the deployment phase through some of the financial framework programs in particular, step two, we’ll look at deploying 5G across the E.U., especially areas where there is potential to actually help social and economic drivers, but also we’re looking at further investing in research and development that was already brought up earlier to be able to look at longer term perspectives. And since security was also mentioned, you know that we have also put forward the security 5G tool books that we’re now looking at a number of conditions that will be met to be able to play in a fair market when the conditions are met by suppliers.

As I mentioned, verticals have been a very important approach to identify where could be – where could this very powerful technology be most useful, where does it bring the greatest, most interesting business cases, and for example smart cities, cities in general have been recognized as potentially interesting areas, in particular, for example, in also transport, at local level, so we have been looking at the investing, so in the 5G corridor, if I look at smart cities, I think I have 4 concrete reasons why this is a promising vertical. First of all, in the commission, we have been looking at Smart Cities and Communities in trying to identify and help in getting a full end‑to‑end service stack for smart cities. We have been investing a lot. Working together with cities to implement you are been data platforms, interoperable data platforms that would enable the large amounts of cross‑sector, cross‑country dataflows and stakeholder engagement in cities and that would allow cities to actually respect citizens’ digital rights to not be locked into certain technologies, and for that matter, we have been working with cities for over a couple of months now who have signed and continue to sign a deck already ration to actually commit themselves to implement the urban data platforms and we hope to be able to support this financially as well under the new digital Europe programme.

Now, on top of that, we’re looking at how to create access to and enable relevant data at local levels. We’re looking to build a smart community data space with the relevant access to data with data sharing and data governance mechanisms in the data space. On top of that, we’re hoping to put in place in particular AI enabled services and one of the areas we’re looking at, it is helping cities create digital twins or 3D virtual images so that it would allow policymakers to make better and more accurate decisions. What’s really important as an underlying enabler, of course, connectivity, this would actually complete the different enablers that would drive the European smart city market.

Number two, also seen in the recovery plan, as you have seen, 5G, it is in the plan to ensure connectivity, it is in the recovery plan we have to go through a digital transition, and we believe that smart cities is a promising place to do that. Smart cities have been using digital technologies to help, in fact, reduce resource needs and to help cities become more sustainable. Many cities have actually greater objectives than their own Member States to achieve the objectives or the climate objectives. In this case, we see that connectivity, it is very key to achieve the green and digital transition. Third point, we’re not just talking about smart cities, but smart communities. Connectivity, it needs to actually reach also communities in order to be able to allow everybody to benefit from all of the new technologies.

Number four, we see smart cities, it is an important area where actually private and public sector meet, where, in fact, ensuring that, for example, the realtime data, the use of extremely powerful service, digital, innovative service, it can actually help the citizens when they proceed as a public sector service for municipal service to actually increase trust in government.

Thank you.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you so much for that.

As I said at the beginning, your work sounds absolutely fascinating. Thank you for that overview indeed.

We’ll come back to some of those points. Next I will ask Elena Puigrefagut to take the floor from the European Broadcasting Union. Tell us how this works with the work of the EBU and members and sort of as a distribution platform.

Thank you very much.

>> ELENA PUIGREFAGUT: Thank you very much.

Thank you very much for EuroDIG to invite me to join this interesting panel discussion.

We’ll follow‑up a little bit on what our Director General said in the keynote speech, focus on three main key message, the first one, we think that 5G can be made to work for media to be a key vertical in the 5G ecosystem, as public service organizations we have the public universality, this means to make all content and services available to the entire population, whatever they are and whenever they want access of the information. This includes bridging all of the devices not only in fixed TV sets but mobile devices, including car, with both linear, non‑linear services. For the time being, the only way of delivering a non‑linear TV services to portable devices is by unique connections. We cannot do that today. We believe we’ll need broadcast and mobile networks so in terms of joined use of the spectrum, without that, it would be very difficult to achieve that for us. We need to use the advantages of each of the type of networks. The potential of 5G for distribution, our main goal of broadcasters is to produce content. We’re investigating how 5G can help us in content production because we have some events which are very complex and costly. We think that 5G can help us on that. We have done some experiences with 4Gsim cards and it is promising. We have work in our public service broadcaster, we have been engaged in the technical standardization bodies so ensure that our requirements are included in the new technical policies and we complement that with real trials to assess the performance of the technology. We believe that the technology will be able to work with U adequate regulation will be fundamental to ensure that 5G delivers public value to the citizens.

In addition to universal availability, we as public service media organization, we have other public requirement, one of them, it is free to view and listen, no charges to access to service, we have managed that 5G broadcasting technology and it means that the delivery of free content to devices without sim cards or service subscriptions, however, the business model needs to be refined, this is not the model that will be used. Another key public requirement, it is that we need to look at the population in emergency situation, we have seen that now during the health emergency situation, it is the same in case of hurricane, same in case of earthquake, dedicated broadcast networks are needed to connect in an easy, reliable, economic way with all of the citizens at any time in this emergency situation. We need to ensure that broadcast networks are also part of this ecosystem. We have to consider that in platforms public service broadcasters are exposed to global competition with big players and – we need regulated business models to enable public service broadcasters to transition more quickly to offer all of the content and services overall audiences over the networks. Not only public service organizations will benefit but all citizens as a whole. Adequate frameworks for public service distribution implemented in the European level could support this process. It is very important that we have the help of European regulators. Finally, all of this will not be possible unless there is cooperation between the different stakeholders. We have a stakeholder which is very different, with very different things from public, commercial broadcaster, Telecom operators, equipment manufacturers, et cetera, we think we need to work altogether.

For example, we T. would be useful to bring together, to define the models between us in terms of joint use of the spectrum and joint use of the assets and also business models enabling public service broadcasters to fulfill their job. We have been contributing to the process but we also are willing to continue our contribution to ensure that regulation is in place, to ensure that 5G will provide the public value that European citizens need. As mentioned, we have created this initiative, the media action group at the MAG with different stakeholders in it and trying to cooperate and work together. I think we’re supportive of similar initiatives in the future together with all other stakeholders.

Thank you. I think this is the three key messages I wanted to highlight today.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you so much. That was really great. You did it, three key messages. That was marvelous.

Our final panelist before we get into the grueling question, it is Pierpaolo Marchese. As I said, he’s on the ICT board. He will tell us a bit about the standards, are they on track, are the 5G standards on track, the delays, we sometimes read about delays, is it going to be a truly global standard? We touched on sovereignty to an extent, but this is a global standard rather than a particular region.

Thank you very much. The floor is yours.

>> PIERPAOLO MARCHESE: Can you hear me.

>> MODERATOR: We can, sir.

>> PIERPAOLO MARCHESE: My brief thoughts would be from standards, I’m happy to be here in this session with so many interesting speakers. I would like to speak about the time lean and the expectations of the industry and stakeholders. In terms of time, as you know, 5G is based on the main releases and the plan, it was to be ready for service. This plan, it is still substantially confirmed, let me say, the team targeting a new radio on top of the 4G network is released and deployed in many methods. It is State of art. It targets a core network and some interesting spaces related to the reliable networks, it is a bit delay from 3 to 6 months. The vertical markets, the satellites, fixed mobile convergence, as we have mentioned, it will be the main goal for the next year.

No big delays we can say. The matter, it is how the demand, all of the ecosystems, we have the coronavirus, that’s a big other part of the 5G ecosystem. To fully benefit from 5G, we definitely need the rationality of all, this would be for sure to decide on 5G just on our specific ways. What about 5G to be on track, to be a global standard? 5G has the ambitious to be a global standard from many points of view. A joint coordinating board between global standardization bodies, worldwide mobile harmonization and a global standard for different and flexible quality of experience and different methods.

We can say that 5G has been successful so far in a common groove between the standardization bodies not to only just educate but also other standard bodies are cooperating in the 5G picture. For example, ITF is providing specifications for the user to the 5G networks and other forums are providing other frameworks for convergence and computing and standardization, even opensource communities are working on 5G not against 5G providing use cases and referencing connections. Concerning the harmonization, quality of experience, not only the standards in many ways, slicing, which is a very important feature in the network, network convergence, the fixed satellite with the networks, the IT convergence in terms of Cloud native opportunities in the standards and climate and public deployments as already mentioned by the different speakers. At this pace, the way to many use cases. However, the path to be global, it is much longer, much complicated than just having standards. We need roaming agreement, recognized project certification schemes, we need regulatory harmonization, this is not to be part of the overall picture.

Even in 5G, verticals, it is in there, we need more work.

In general, we need a global collaboration, not easy in these days as we all know.

What about industry expectations, the 5G standard, they address two main areas, new use case, mobile and Broadband, machine type communicating messages, and the ultrareliable latency, and then there were requirements in the telco transformation, so on. We can say that depending on the current number of the contributions to the patents, the various standards, it is reflecting high industry confidence in 5G, however, now we need to produce devices in which can go with the standards. It is clear that this will not be completing in 5G is deployed with all of the planned features. Concerning the expectation of the gigabyte society, in terms of security, safety, sustainability, to be very short, in security, GDP has brought many nice things to 4G and 5G, it is with a security design principle, open interface protection, encryption, nested authentication schemes, the data on 5G, it is not about 5G as technical specification but on potential softer bridges to create and produce management. The problem, it is that with 5G, that space, it could be attacked and very huge after if I had by this softer predominance. In terms of safety, we don’t have time for details, we can say that the many issues related to frequencies, they are still in the early stage. We definitely need specification to perform measurement entities as part of the ISO world.

In terms of energy and efficiency, the economic benefits to sustainability, we can speak during another session.

Thank you very much.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you for being wide. You widespread indeed. We’ll come back to the standards question, there is a lot of interest in 5G standards in relation to the new IP so to speak.

We’ll hopefully come back to some of that. I thank everyone, I’ll take this opportunity before I ask the questions to the panel. Thank you for entering on the chat with such honesty, such vigor. It is really great to see. Of course, all of the panelists, our marvelous panelists can see your questions and no doubt will assault new the coffee break.

A question to the panelists, to Jehanne as well – I cut her off earlier – that’s really about the sort of value proposition I think. How do you think that 5G services will condition tribute, if you like, we have heard a lot about the potential in terms of speed, things like that, how are they going to contribute to economic growth in general, how will they help developing world meet with Sustainable Development Goals, and how will they affect the man in the street? Will the man in the street, the woman, we want to go for 5G, it is, you know, one up from 4G, will it really make the difference that we’re talking here? Thank you. Just, you know, 30 seconds from each panelist would be great!

>> JEHENNE SAVI: (Laughter). We have said that we believe there will be new actors with 5G and mostly we expect it to be bit to bit.

We are concerned, as you have said, we can just emphasize that this ministry, we need an augmented reality, especially mixing the professional usages, the personal usages, and I think that’s also the breakthrough, to start telecommunication working, telecommunication – what was it – learning for the child, so on. This is – this is for the man of the street, the telemedicine, that’s become legitimate now. All of the new behaviors, that they’re sustainable, they are also a key – a key that’s equal to the business opportunities we had foreseen previously.

It is quite an evolution and the consumption models, and in the usage.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you. Thank you.

I apologize that we have got so little time in this panel.

Other panelists. We’ll go in order if you like, you want to say a little bit about how you think it will change life, Cao?

>> CAO HUI: Well, the 5G, it is changing our life. It is also the important enabler for business perspective as well, for the manufactures that make use of 5G in this next revolution. In this case we’re committed to work with the E.U. to work with the ecosystem to make sure that the European industry is fully utilized the 5G technology and also to make it benefit for our society.

This is two strategy was the E.U. recovery plan as indicated by – from Orange, and green is a key pillar of the Orange 2025 strategy. You know, how to make 5G become greener, it is a common task for both vendors and operators together.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you very much.

Andrea, you have a couple of words on this question?

>> ANDREA HALMOS: I was going to look at three different angles. I think for businesses, I particularly see a great opportunity, and this is shown during the crisis, for SMEs, especially remote areas, connectivity could bring them or help them bring their businesses in the more digital world, both in terms of their sales activities, but also in terms of their products creating greater value for their products. I think it is – we see also that in the smart cities context, by creating the European smart cities market, we could actually achieve a lot of growth and partially, it is driven, but we’re trying to do it by enabling the flexible, open urban data platforms, of course, it also requires the necessary connectivity.

If we could actually bring the smart cities market into growth, that is also enabling the market for SMEs.

Second part, it is for citizens. They could be seen, for example, by greater traffic management, greater energy management. But also in terms of the green, somebody was just asking in the forum about the relation to green, so on. So we see that, of course, commission is working on green and in the ICT sector also, the networks, so on, but also I think by bringing greater efficiencies to the verticals we can actually bring that forward by helping cities use technologies in a way that will even further reduce their energy carbon footprint and energy footprint.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you very much. Elana, very quickly, and then Pierpaolo Marchese.

>> ELENA PUIGREFAGUT:

Yes. Very briefly: I think it is very important to consider that 5G will not add much value, it remains, technology just for mobile network, because you will not add much to what we have already with 4G. To add value, I think it should be a technology that’s adequate for the uses – user, what they need, the verticals, it is the verticals, ones that will make a difference and add value. When I say value, it is not just economic value which is very important and necessary.

>> MODERATOR: Yes.

>> ELENA PUIGREFAGUT: But as you said in the question, bringing values to the citizens and public value. We have to ensure that the technology is there for the verticals and also that it is very nice, easy to develop the technologies and I’m an engineer, I know we can feed the technologies to whatever we want, then when we need to implement, we need to deploy the technologies, if we don’t do that, we will not succeed. It is important to have regulation that forces implementation in the deployment in the right way.

Thank you.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you for that, Elena, you made an important part of that, it is not just economic, it is social as well.

Certainly, others have included that point. .

Pierpaolo Marchese, briefly.

>> PIERPAOLO MARCHESE: Quickly, I agree with the previous speakers and especially Elena, the potential is hire in the trillions of dollars, most of them, it comes from verticals, that’s the key point.

The second point, the man in the street is not only the consumer, but it is the citizen, this is the worker, the student, probably 5G is giving more workers directly not only to the business environment in general but to the working people.

Third point, as it is a global technology, we need global rules in order to have an impact, we need to refine the regulatory framework. Today, the regulation, it is in terms of geography, in terms of telco, other problems, this is a key issue.

Then, this is probably a brilliant technology in terms of permanence, licenses, is on. We need to consider how to use this technology in a wider scope and this is the challenge of the next phase.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you very much.

I know we had a number of questions, and I’ll ask our esteemed remote moderator, do you want to just choose a couple of questions and read them out? We will ask for very short 30‑second answers from the panel and then we’ll have to go to the messages.

>> AUKE PALS: Thank you, Nigel.

I suggest, I have received many questions, we don’t have time for all of them.

>> MODERATOR: No! You choose! You’re a good chap! You know what’s important! Go on quickly!

>> Yes, Nigel! I thought I was on. I thought –

>> MODERATOR: Comb your hair a little bit! That’s right!

>> It is a provocative question, not a judgment, as the E.U.’s internet policy is an open and diverse, et cetera internet, however, if so many direct connections are seen as a threat to democracy and our industry, and added to that, some nations do not allow a fully open, et cetera, internet, should the E.U. strive for a fully open internet or should the E.U. consider more protection from the perceived threats with all consequences coming with that? The most recent chat answer that had we have to look for compromises, and the second part of that question would be what is the compromises to keep the internet open, secure, et cetera.

Thank you, Nigel!

>> MODERATOR: I think we’re not going to have time for more than that question.

You know, we can couple to that this whole issue of sovereignty as well that came up.

Panelists, in your – I know this is unfair on you. You’re so good! 30 seconds to sort of cover that point and then we’ll go to the messages.

Thank you..

You want to say a few words? Anyone, just jump in.

>> JEHENNE SAVI: Maybe I will – yes. I consider it a key question and that’s part of my request for the ecosystem. I think we need to defend the operability and it includes the operability for example with cloud providers. Not only the level of operators, but. When I talk about the interoperability, I think it is a key question, either at the level because we’re also talking about network sharing, to be more efficient. And also to Mick this sustainable from an economic standpoint.

>> MODERATOR: Cao, can you give your view on the sovereignty issue and the question to raise, and also the chat, with a every not going to ask you to necessarily answer. It is very good of you – it is very good for you to be here today and no doubt you have been reading some of the questions anyway. Go on. 30 seconds.

>> Okay. Thank you.

(Cao) this is an important discussion and topic. It is about independence, freedom of choice. When you come to the ICT, we have to realize, again, I have to – I have to emphasize our ICT industry, one of the most coordinated industry globally, so there is an openness, a global cooperation, a multilateral mechanism to make sure that we’re able to overcome some challenges altogether. From a technical term.

This is to become our position to develop a better future for our industry altogether.

It is a shared responsibility, not only for European companies, or industry, but for globally everywhere.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you. Thank you.

>> ANDREA HALMOS: I think ensuring there is a choice to be made, in terms of technology. I think, for example, standards are extremely important in this manner, as well as interoperability, for example, in the case of Smart Cities, we have seen that, in order to create a fair market, to be able to really scale up solutions, and enable the smart city market to flourish, we will have to encourage CTs to go, for example, with open and standard‑based interoperable platform, that can help in scaling. I think following this approach, creating standards that are globally accepted and open and fair market, it is perhaps an interesting and positive approach.

>> ELENA PUIGREFAGUT: Media point of view, for us, it is important that our content, it remains without any changes. The content, it is kept as it is. In terms of security, we have been faced with broadband networks that is not so easy to keep that, to ensure that, with broadcasting network, we are responsible for delivering the content to ensure that the content is not changing. That’s very important. It is all related to fake news for us, that’s the key things regarding that network. Movements excellent point. thank you.

>> PIERPAOLO MARCHESE: From a technical perspective, the on object ability, that’s key to openness, secure for networking and related to data interoperability, and in this area, I think standards are evolving and in ICT there are good standards for machine to machine environment. At the end of the day, we have a challenge behind the corner, it is AI interoperability. It is a much more – it is much more our language and we have to have a deep dive if we want to be successful in a truly open method..

>> MODERATOR: Thank you very much.

I’m very, very sorry for the short is interventions.

Can we go to the messages now? I’m keen – I know our – I know our colleagues work very hard to collect the messages from the Geneva internet platform, others. Can we have the messages on the screen?

>> CEDRIC AMON: Hello. I’m with the Geneva internet platform. I have tried to sum up some of the very important and interesting discussion points. They will be able in the wiki later for commenting. My first message, it is 5G is serving the digital transformation since it offers new ways to innovate, create new business models due to the realtime availability of data. Secondly, the 5G network technology will increase the sustainability especially smart cities allowing them to reduce consumption and enabling data urban platforms. Finally, despite the security discussion surrounding the technology, collaborating on the elaboration of new 5G standards is key to the network success.

Thank you very much. That is it from me.

>> MODERATOR: Thank you very much. You do a marvelous job. Yeah. I’m always – yeah. It is great, you guys pulling messages out of a fairly complex discussion.

You say these will be up for comment on the wiki?

>> Yes. Exactly.

>> Okay. Great.

What I propose, we can go on chatting on the chat, obviously, but this session itself, it has to come to an end unfortunately. I want to just – I’m not going to make any concluding remarks at all. Only to make three thank yous, first of all, to Ross, many of you know him who put this panel together and who conceived this idea of the Plenary session, so all credit to Ross. He gathered together with colleague as wonderful set of panelists. Thank you so much for the panelists. Thank you for the honesty, for their provocative thoughts, the ability to be brief, that was really, really marvelous.

Thank you also to the marvelous chat, all of the comments we have had. Some of you could have been on this panel as well, Andrew, Wolfgang, many others that commented, you have enriched the discussion, I think it will go on.

Someone mention that 5G will continue to be discussed. It is a very important area. We didn’t manage to sort of cover everything. We could have covered new IP, we could have covered all sorts of political issues as well. I think we did a reasonable job thanks to our marvelous panelists. I’ll finish there. Just say thank you and enjoy the coffee and, yeah. Wherever it is. Yeah. Good to see you. Hopefully see you physically soon. Thank you.

>> NAUDIA TJAHJA: Thank you for the lovely moderator and the participants and audience. It was wonderful to see how active you were in the chat and supporting each other to understand the different aspects of the topic. Now I refer to our remote moderator for some notices.

>> AUKE PALS: I thank you, the moderator, speakers, participants for the participation. The chat was extremely active. Therefore, I hope to see this continuing where I pose all of the questions rain I hope to see you also with a discussion arising there. After the break, we’ll open all three studios with three parallel sessions. To access the studios, go back to the EuroDIG page and you see at the top student studio followed by the others, you will find 11 and 12 and 16 and we welcome you back here for workshop 9, privacy in Europe. We will now go into a break. We’ll see Sandra from EuroDIG headquarters here in the studio at 11:25. Have a great break and we hope to see you back here for the next session.