Agreeing on the Messages and Wrap up 2024

19 June 2024 | 15:00 - 16:00 EEST | Auditorium | |
Consolidated programme 2024

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Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So before what Ricardo said, final messages so agreeing on the messages and wrap up, we'll hear an outlook of Igf. 2,024 by Dr. Mala Dwison, Director of International Research, and Publishing.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Here we go.
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Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Simple.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So, Sandra, it's time for you. Now, you know, you have 2 mics. I have only one. Okay, so is this mic on. Okay, it's actually not time for you, but time for you. Time for you to agree on the messages that will go out to the global Igf to policymakers and to the world.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We have a slightly different approach this year in drafting the messages. You might remember that since many, many years we are cooperating with the Geneva Internet platform or with
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: diplofoundation to draft the messages. We are doing this since we invented the idea of having messages. And that was the very 1st Eurodig back in 2,008, and we take the proud at Eurodig that we were the 1st one inventing the concept of messages which are now adopted by many other national, regional and even the global Igf.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so please consider this what we are doing now as really the basic outcome of of this event.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And this year, for the 1st time.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the message drafting process was supported by AI
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the Geneva Internet platform has developed a tool
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that produces a transcript during the session that produces an AI generated report, and also some other information on
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: how many speakers spoke! How many words! How many seconds is quite funny. We will publish those results on our wiki so that you can have a look, and you might consider this a good or bad tool. I find it quite useful
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in order to get some essence of the session. However.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: AI should never replace human thinking.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and that's why we have, of course, humans sitting in the audience. And in this respect the program committee
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that took messages in or that followed the the session in addition and took these AI generated transcript and report just as a tool for them to draft the messages.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And during the past 2 days and the last session, even during the lunch, break the messages what they consider to be the messages we are created.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We consider the program committee members as neutral. So the real important thing is that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: no? Focal point, no speaker. Should really
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: just have their agenda. What they want to see in the messages, but that really, in the messages goes only where there was broad consensus among speakers and the audience.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We would also consider it a message if there was great disconcents on a certain topic. This should also be transported as a message, because
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it needs to be said when there's disagreement, and that wouldn't have been the 1st time.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So in order to go through the messages one by one, I would ask the technical team to bring up the laptop from this podium
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: up to one of the screens, and I would like to invite those who drafted the messages, which is Minda Modaya.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Here she is in the room. She drafted the 1st segment, Ricardo Nani, maybe, Ricardo, because you are. Second, you take a seat and you're an up good Joan Upcu drafted them for the past.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and once we see them here, Vasosition Mahan.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: going back in the settings in order to mirror the screen? Or what is the issue?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Why is it not visible on this? On this screen.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: You're my hero.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: here they are. And with this mind, I would actually give you the floor because you were drafting them. And you might answer some of the questions, why this went into a message, and why other things have been left out. Minda, please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you. Hello, everyone. And so the 1st message on topic one European policies and strategies is, there is urgent need to ensure effective implementation of human rights frameworks online and to address the lack of awareness of these frameworks.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and a concerted multi-stakeholder effort is crucial to help develop a clear and organized legal framework, ensure a proactive role of civil society, influencing discourse, shaping and monitoring implementation, and emphasize the social responsibility of the private sector and its duty to respect the rights of users.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: On sub topic. 2. We have concerted and coordinated efforts must be built on trust.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: cross sexual collaboration and international cooperation because they are vital to address cybersecurity. Challenges.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This should include mechanisms for cyber cooperation in critical situations such as wartime.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This requires standardized training and education, as well as inclusive cybersecurity measures that cater to all segments of society. And finally, for subtopic 3,
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: interoperability relies on a technical protocol which is being addressed through standardization in the Internet engineering task force
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: as well on the operational and economic will to connect and exchange. So it's vital to develop and refine mechanisms of market evaluation, enhance user choice, maintain end to end encryption and privacy across different platforms.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The ex territorial implications of the Dma and the potential impact of on users who rely on non-EU messaging services must also be addressed.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Them
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: like like
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Ricardo, I would say, we discuss those messages 1st and then go to you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So basically, mind. I ask you to go back to the podium, and would like to invite now the audience to let us know if this finds
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: rough consensus of this Fine's agreement
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: particular those who have been contributing to that session, or, if you believe this, does not really catch the content.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: please refrain now from tweaking little words, this can be done after Eurodig. And also from
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that's actually tweaking. I would spell out what Dma is, because
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in a summary it doesn't. Okay. Yeah. Point taken. Yeah, that that can be done very easily. You can also use the open mics that we have here. But we understand that for some people it might be difficult to get out of those rows, and we have the the moving mic.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I give you a few more moments to read through it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: do. I introduce myself is on Khan, former youth, tiger. I think the 1st subtopic 1st message
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: point a in particular. I'd like for us to be able to specify when we say robust legal framework, robust international legal framework that would be broadly applicable across all nations, because otherwise it can be quite vaguely interpreted. And also, if you have a framework
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that enables nation states to interpret it, however, they want effectively, you'll end up with a fragmentation of the understanding of how human rights should be protected online. So I'd like to be able to specify that that is one potential tweak, perhaps. But I think it's a pretty important tweak in my mind, and if that's something that gets wrapped
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: rough consensus, then that's great. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I agree. It's only a point in the second statement
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: when it's written. This requires standardized training and education. I don't think that I think it is necessary to have a standardization in
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the interoperability. But the standardised training and education is not, in my opinion, the right way. We need cooperative and flexible training and education, because there are some
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: different approaches, and especially in an evolving technology, and science is necessary to think out of the box. Not in the standard way.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: mind, how are we going to do this? Are you taking into account and doing live editing? Or yes, and maybe I will have to go back to the what was said, because what I wrote here was what was the consensus during the debate. But obviously I will include your remarks as well.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The thing is, if you go back we won't see what the final message is, and then it would be difficult for the audience. We should really do it here, live and see if it finds consensus. We might even go back to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: what was there. So the 1st one was into a robust okay, like to do that. But comments would also be an option. Yes, but it needs to be on the record, so that everyone in the rooms can can see it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Where do you do that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: because we're not sharing with anyone right
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: noble like.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Again, I thought.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And then we pay. And then we also.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay, so let's split here. So going back to the 1st one was robust
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: international legal framework, right?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And because I just read that people in Zoom can't read it, which is, of course, not what we want. I think we have to tremendously enlarge it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: No, in general, this screen is not in zoom. It is no, it is now. Yes, fantastic how to use windows things.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And sorry.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So can you help me? Yeah.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay. And you're just writing that. And then, no, it's just that I cannot use this. I do not use windows.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Oh, I'm sorry.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So do you want me to? Yeah, write the comments. Okay?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So the 1st one was about
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: international international.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's it's the German keyboard.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it is, but also because I haven't worked with a PC for like
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 30 years. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it's quite weird for me. Sorry, guys.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Then we have
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay. While while they are typing, we have a comment from a remote participant. Wow, yes. So Mike Nelson says, strongly disagree with adding international before legal, that endorses the lowest common denominator approach to human rights. Michael R. Nelson Carnegie, endowment for international peace, interoperable and consistent approaches to human rights would allow some nations to go further faster.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Ok, that's interesting. The point is, we should take into account that this is not a negotiation process. Now.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it's the best effort of a neutral reporter to take the essence of the of the session. So the aim is really that we get rough consensus on what has been discussed.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and not what is the opinion of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: individuals.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This is sometimes a fine line, because we have a lot of experts here in the room that think the message should be that way.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But actually the message should be what was discussed
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in the room, and if you disagree or raise your hand if you really disagree. When the reporter captured something
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: as it was not discussed. I think this is the point that we need to make. Here
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we have a comment from over there.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This, mic, please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: is what.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: anyway. Now it works. Thank you, Peter Gordini, just on the process, because you already elaborated on that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: If this is not a negotiation and we want to have changes, then maybe taking a baseline 1st
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to find out how much of the audience is comfortable with the original proposal, would help judge the will to change. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But this is close to a voting. If I ask no, for a show off hand.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, you don't have to do a vote. You have other means humming like the itf. I am so lucky I did not suggest that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: there's another handraiser here. So 1st of all, I like to apologize because this is my 1st Eurodic. So I'm the 1st time that I'm help drafting one of these messages, so I'm not entirely sure of how adequate this suggestion would be, especially with the comments on that. This is not a negotiation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But I'd like to propose some subtopic number 1 point C, aside from social responsibility, perhaps the need to force from the private sector innovation, so that this human rights
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: prospecting services are also competitive. But I understand, if that's too much of of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: a proposal for this.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Minda, what is your take on this? Yeah?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, yet again, it goes a little bit further from what was discussed in this specifics aspect.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So there was no
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: clear linkage linkage between human rights and and businesses, even though there is obviously a guidance and framework. But it was more about the social responsibility and the duty that they have to protect those rights.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I think
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I tried. I tried to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: embed that in the discussion and not to include the human rights, because it was obviously not mentioned.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Any other comments.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: or any other strong disagreement with what Minda has drafted from this
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: session.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, Vaught and others. I was not in this session because I was in other sessions, as things go, but I would like on the 3rd one
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to see if people who visit the IETF.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Whether they're comfortable. What is being said there? Because, yes, interoperability is addressed there.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: but they set a standard and then nailed it to the wall on the Internet, and the commercial companies have to adopt or deploy that standard. And if that doesn't happen.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: nothing changes. So in other words. You address it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: but you don't in the itf, because
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that's what happens. It happens in the real world. So our people who are visiting the Itf. Which are not comfortable with the way that this is.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Crafted. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Can people that are visiting the Iidf comment on it?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Just behind you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Hi, Victoriola. Yeah, I was the one on the panel that actually spoke about this. And yes, I think I tried to give some nuances, because it's true that it's been addressed
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: at this point in time. We don't know whether it will succeed at the Atf. And also we. We don't know that even if it succeeds at the Idf.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Whether this will be adopted, whether we'll actually meet the policy objectives of the EU.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But I thought we could work on this honestly online a bit, because in some thoughts how to put all of these without writing 5 more lines, which would be too much.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: There is another handraise on the other side.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah, Peter Cohen, another visitor. I think the the emphasis here is that the technical interoperability is is addressed or worked on in the itf, whereas the actual decision and Walt made that point.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The the Itf standards are based on voluntary adoption. Now, in this case, probably the voluntary adoption will be helped a bit by that regulation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But from the standardization perspective, I'd say, that's that's the right direction. And one needs to understand that distinction in in in the context of the session. But again, this is a message and not a summary of the session. So I support the the text. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, then we leave it as it is.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: then I would like to ask one more time if we can go with these messages for
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the main topic, one.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: or if there are strong objections.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: this is not the case, then big applause to Linda, who drafted it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thanks, Minda, I know that's a challenge.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And the next topic on Govtech, which was a topic that came into the agenda on the initiative of our host this year. They had a particular interest in this, which was well received, and we were very lucky to have that input.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Ricardo Nani took the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: responsibility of drafting the messages. So could you walk us through them. Yeah. So topic 2 is Kovtak putting people 1st in digitizing public services and the use of data, I will try to take notes as you comment. But this is not a quality keyboard, so hands may be slow. I'm not used to it. So apologies in advance.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: subtopic ones. So the 1st session on main topic. So golf, tech dynamics, navigating innovation and challenges in public services. This is how I summarize the general message by after listening to the session. This is a transformation in public administrations comes with stronger digital skills. Rather, I would say, the need of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: stronger digital skills. We need mandatory training for civil servants, cities and other pas can innovate in collaboration with academia and the private sector. With such projects as the Golf Tech Club, which is active in Lithuania
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: cities, can also use open data dashboards to be more transparent to citizens by allowing them to easily visualize data about their living environment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I hope this summarised correctly the consensus of the sessions, but if anyone was present that perhaps they want to raise their hand. Meanwhile I will read the other 2, and then we can open the comments subtopic 2. European approach on data governance.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The new EU legislation on data is creating new scenarios. Despite Gdpr. And the privacy at all cost principle are still central. As the Digital Governance Act recognises the prevalence of privacy, legislation. Tensions exist between the need to explore data and to open it for the public administration to be transparent
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the need to protect citizens' right to privacy, the new EU legislation. So the Data Governance Act and the Data act tried to strike a balance between the 2 needs. The EU values enshrined in Gdpr are being adopted elsewhere in the world, both because of EU influence, but also because of recognition of the validity
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: moving to subtopic 3 empowering communities, partnerships for access to services.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Digitalization became more and more relevant after covid and the new climate change related catastrophes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Digital instruments now allow rescuers and public administrations to quickly identify who is in need, and where, on a specific territory, nonetheless, catastrophe also make the digital infrastructure vulnerable, as disruption in communication can be caused by unusual weather. Events.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: large amounts of the population in the world still have no or limited access to the Internet, which is particularly true for people living in low income or remote areas. This year, discrimination in access to services and opportunities. Once again comments should not be about
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: tweaks in the text. This has been drafted, I must admit, quite rapidly before moderating the previous session, so grandma structure will be corrected in due time. But please, if there, if there are important points that were not that were covered during the sessions that I've left out in drafting the messages. Please let me know.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Can we have the microphone here? Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Hi. My name is Octaviansho Franz. I'm the with the Council of Europe
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: concerning them. Subtopic 2
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: who speak about the approach to data governance in the text. In front of us there is a focus on the legislation of the EU, namely, the Gdpr. Which is absolutely relevant for the European Union countries.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think during the session it was also mentioned that for the countries of the globe outside the European Union. The Council of Europe Convention 108 plus
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: is the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: useful reference.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think we need to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: how to say specifically in the context of the upcoming idea of discussion. We can flag it out in our message.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you. I will add it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I see 2 more hands there at the top
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 108 plus a hundred 8 plus
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: pushing up the Voltage camera house here. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: are you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Martin Baltimore. We had a good session where there was an excellent
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: explanation of how you could introduce Laura on networks in areas
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: at very low cost.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and this would make it more accessible. So there are 2 elements I think I would love to see in the 3rd 1. 1st is reference to the digital divide
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: rather than discrimination. The second one is very much relating to.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: for relatively low cost, enormous progress can be made.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Let's see, to make that possible, or something.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Hello. Good afternoon. Yeah. It was
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: them and all the custody from telecom in Portugal.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I was parting
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: discussions in Subtopic 3, and very much in line with the previous speaker.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, I thank you for the text you presented, but I think there was also note a positive note that say to address the concerns that are raised there. So we talk about Ppps, private, public and private partnerships. We spoke about technology developments. We spoke about financing. We spoke about cooperation activities that can be undertaken.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And so I think this positive note may be included in this topic. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 100. Yes, please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah. I was not present in this session, but I was, I'm asking, do we really say privacy at all costs?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It did emerge as such, unless him is heard during the conversation. Is anyone from subtopics so who participated in the session present in the room?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Who can correct me?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Perhaps in case I can just go back to the moderator or the focal point and make a note about it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Somebody has the impression that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: EU is enforcing privacy at all costs.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: this sounds to me like a very extreme statement.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: was in the session indeed, and that was mentioned by the gentleman sitting on this chair, who came from the business sector that it was indeed these various words.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the question is, if that should be in the message.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: what a single person said, and what might sound a bit provocative. But yes, it was there.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Can we have the microphone over here? Or maybe that microphone is open?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah. I agree, privacy at all cost could be quite strong.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in particular, if it's associated with principle.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: could tweak that, maybe. Oh, okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And maybe you're referring by 2 2 as a principal like I mean
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: privacy by design or other approach rather than principle, since it was mentioned. But okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'm saying square brackets.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Any other comments
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: or strong disagreement.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: If you can live with it, then it's fine.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah, just a small topic. Deborah. Accessibility was also discussed in the design criteria.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Can you say it again? Sorry accessibility was also discussed in the design criteria?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So I guess there was subtopic 3, right access to service
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: accessibility by design. Maybe let's call it just to have a note. And then.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay, thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, then I think
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that is it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I don't see anyone else.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Then, thank you very much, Ricardo. Well done, fantastic big applause for Ricardo
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the last session. I think this is the most challenging one in terms of time commitment, because we just finished before the lunch break and yawn really had to be very fast.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I was not alone. I wasn't alone, and Minda did the subtopic one, and Desarra did the 1st draft for the subtopic 2. So it was a joint effort
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so subtit one innovation and ethical implication. The proliferation of AI related initiatives and documents and the adoption of regulatory and human rights framework
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: is key to fostering User's trust in AI technologies to tackle AI's complexity and applications, and to provide tailored solutions to the specific needs of the diverse stakeholders.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: A mighty stakeholder approach to AI governance is crucial to ensure that AI development and use are informed by a variety of perspectives to minimize, bias and serve the interest of society.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: A pressing ethical concern is the military use of AI, which is yet to be addressed by existing regulatory frameworks.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: but will need more focused attention in the near future.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Should we discuss subtopic 1? First? st
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay? So we subtract subtropic 2,
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the Framework Convention on AI and Human Rights Democracy and the Rule of Law, the Council of Europe
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Framework Convention on AI human rights, democracy and the rule of law is an important step towards a global approach to AI regulation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The Council of Europe Framework and the EU AI act complement each other.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Further steps should follow by taking into account the need to address the growing issues of AI AI from a global rather than a regional perspective
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the subtopics. 3 current AI. It's about identification of AI generated content
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and current AI detection systems are an unreliable and even arbitrary.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: That is why it is advised not to use AI detectors.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Currently, we have to rely on critical assessment of content that takes into account that any content can easily be generated by AI.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Watermarking and certification of origin should be a more reliable means to authenticate content and should be supported by regulation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So any any comments?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah. Hi, hello.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Hi, Melan Krio. I was a focal point in subtopic 3, and maybe I would have 2 comments.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The 1st one is that I don't feel that what? What was said exactly was that it's advised not to use AI detectors. It's true that we got one intervention that was
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: sort of in that line, but I don't feel that it's the general consensus of the session. I think that this session was more about. They are not completely reliable, so we should be aware we didn't have an example of one being reliable, and we had several comments that you should not use them.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So but maybe we can have other voices. I wouldn't. I wouldn't feel comfortable at Eurodig to say, well, you should be just cautious using them because they are not reliable.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, I mean, I'm I'm just saying I'm just saying that because, like
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: then, we also went into the discussion. We talked about the fact that, like sometimes, for example, there's some systems that fail more in like specific languages. So if we are not using AI detectors at all, why talk about AI detectors? In the 1st place. So I feel that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if there was a discussion, it's kind of a future discussion that there was speculation, that they might fail more in different languages, but we have had no experience so far that they are better in something than in other things.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I mean, I'm well, that's just the impression I had from
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: what was said in the session. But maybe we can also get opinions by other people on that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But if you have a proposal for a different wording. Maybe we can see how we can integrate it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But I don't think we should recommend to use those systems. Oh, no, no, I'm not saying recommend. I'm just saying that my feeling is that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: like the so the outtake of the session in general, I don't feel that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: everyone was saying.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I advise you not to use them. I feel that the general consensus was more.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We should be very mindful that they are not reliable
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: like I just don't feel that everyone was saying, let's 100% not use this thing. I feel that some people said we can use this thing, but we should be aware that they are not reliable
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we kept.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Is this working? Okay? Can we perhaps just note that that there was this agreement, therefore, on this point. And this is an outcome of session and highlight it in the message.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And note if I
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if I can do it with windows.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, so
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay, that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: question, and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: not not recommended.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and to use
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to use
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: with a
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: a very high level. Of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of course, of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: caution.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I would feel at least, but feel free to speak up. Really, I would feel that that would like
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: summarize a little bit better what was said, but feel free to see.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Do you want to? There's another hand up there. So is it related?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if it's not related, then let's do this 1 first, st and then
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: oh, no, I don't want to speak. I just want for a second
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: seconds.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you. Everyone for teamwork.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'm Emily coming from Youthk, and I agree with the raised point, because it also supports the point that was raised during subtopic one, where we need to completely balance the innovation and regulation, because
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if the regulations are too strict, and we completely say we should not use and ban 100%. It is going to block innovation. And this is the point that comes to being afraid of AI, instead of finding ways to use it better, and finding ways to fix it and make it more and more reliable.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So I believe also in subtopic one. We should add that point that regulations and innovations should be balanced, and there should be found a common ground between these 2 factors.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Emily, since balancing innovation and regulation is the overarching theme of Eurodig. I think there is no need to put that into the subtopic again, but I feel there is consensus on that. This message is possibly a bit too strong, and we should rather say not enough reliable or
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: yep.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think I think it was not really a question of use or not use. It was more of awareness of of the and reliability of this
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of these apps, and therefore, then people have to make their own decisions.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, is is there an agreement that they should not be used to for for real students? We we talked about the dangers that this poses to students. And if you use those things with with misqualified and works of students, I think there was an agreement that this is a real risk that we we need to.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But but you and I have the feeling you're continuing to start cussing from the session now, and I really feel that there was broader consensus on softening this a bit.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And there is another handraise over there, chuck bigling a suicide, Jeff.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But I'm I'm fully agreement
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: with watches that had been before on balancing. But my issue is on subtopic 3. The middle sentence sentence, which should also add something that there should be education, on the threats, on possibilities of generative AI
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on all social, on all, on all levels. Yep, I agree. It was in the 1st draft and due to space restraints. We
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we put it took it out because well, it's it's true, for every topic.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But I put a note that, of course, the the education and warners and and critical thinking is is important. I think the term critical thinking was what was used, and in the session.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: disagreement. I think precisely we could award critical assessments of what's stronger and put in more active, and it needs help
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: for critical assessment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Put it as you want, but it needs more than just critical assessment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I will. I will put put a
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: comment. So you said critical thinking, critical assessment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: technical assessment?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: hmm.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: ss.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: meant. And education
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: does this cover it? Or what kind of wording would you?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, I think its critical assessment is on the individual level, but it needs efforts, external efforts to foster critical assessment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: efforts
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to foster
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: critical asset, foot and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: education
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: were also
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: mentioned.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Any any other comment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Please, please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: can we have the mic
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: you are
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: while it travels through? I would you're doing better and better. Thank Martin Baltimore again on the second one. I very much support what is said there, and it looks good.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But let's use the opportunity that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the tomahawk, Marcus, from the Itu was here to also refer to that explicitly, and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: referred to the AI for good conference. So, as has been
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: started by the the Itu
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: with the AI for good or something
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: there mentioned some principles that are clearly going global up and beyond
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the Coe and the EU AI act. Okay? So your idea would be further, steps should follow. No, but AI AI, for good is a conference that addresses these issues. But it's not regulation. So where would you put it in the context of regulations. I'm a bit puzzled
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to. To further this, a global level world level conferences, such as the AI for global groups will be necessary
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: because we will not be able to come to regulation until we understand with each other that there is principles that we agree upon. That is a clear 1st step on our way to to a more global harmonization of principles in this matter.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: coming up
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: with
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the further regulation
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: requires
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: requires
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: for
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: for us, like
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the AI for good conference.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Nope.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay, so what? What mentioning you? Another conference and a message?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, so, but but
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: your proposal was to to mention it. Going up for further regulation requires a global level interaction. Starting with establishment of principles
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: before we get to global harmonization. It's kind of long. I can make a note that we should
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that we should
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: consider this, maybe this. And then I just think it's worthwhile to to have some link in, because I think it's some excellent value to Eurodic and strengthen the Eurodig message that it has been here to also link to the importance
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of global
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: forums
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and conferences
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to as a to progress, a global understanding or something to to progress.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Global understanding.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: No.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Ok, yeah. Sorry. Just a quick comment of this. Francesco from ethike. Yeah, I was going to say it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: not just global fora and conferences, but also civil society. I believe it's a key stakeholder in this case
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to the of global forums, including civil society. We already were sorry.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: No, I don't. I don't see it now. Sorry. Where? Where is it?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So so you would say, global forum, including civil society.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: What's your proposition? Including all stakeholders, probably would be, yeah, yeah, of course, including all stakeholders.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: They were
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: particularly
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: civil society.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I'm going to take the floor now, and the the light is on for quite a while to really and summarize a couple of points while we take notes on topic, too. Deborah was mentioning the upcoming September vote on AI Framework Convention. The need to have a capped
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to catch a mouse. AI act is a cat, and this was the overview of how to see the situation, in that there is a need for regulation and enforcement to harmonize.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I don't know. I I will share this, and I'm taking note of of these comments as well. But I'm reading through the through the audience also to to get the understanding of consent consensus, and on topic 3. Also discuss the importance of not eroding trust, as well as respect for legacies of trustworthy, authentic reliable information sources.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: There was also a topic brought by Avery, which was one of the statements I found powerful in the AI Sessions, was, when dealing with AI use less legacy markets of quality.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the last one I didn't understand legacy markets
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of quality.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Can you repeat the whole sentence?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: One of the statements I found powerful in the AI sessions was when dealing with a I
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: use legacy marketis.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Sorry my bet totally my bet use legacy markers of quality, not markets, markers of quality, legacy, markers of quality.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Not sure what you mean. I could give shortly the floor to to Avery if she wants to take the floor. I will ask to mute
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Avery if you're there.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Missed her so much.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Jesus.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's absurd, though.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, she'll get back with a with a clarification.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Do we have other comments?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I I just wanted to go back to the previous comments because I was in that subtopic tool session, and I don't think that there were particularly strong messages, those ones that come there. Maybe I was distracted, but I don't recall that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I dunno f- others. Remember this being mentioned. So the link to importance of global 4 conferences, civil society. I think there's a very focused discussion on the M- on the Council of Europe. convention.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And I don't think that we particularly focus on those topics. I tend to agree. I think we agree that these global 4 are important. But it was not part of the discussion focused on
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on on the regulation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So does this mean that we should?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Remove this comment? Or maybe this is to be decided in a later stage.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: One more comment in the back. Is it related to this one?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, okay. Then you have the mic, anyway.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: chuckling or suicide. Jeff. I think we are several here just sitting. We oppose for strict logical reasons, not for content that we add civil society in this in this sentence.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's just stakeholders as stakeholders, including not nobody, is particularly stakeholder rich than others.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and and since we are a multi-stakeholder forum, I think it's God's without saying that we always talk about the inclusion of all stakeholders. So maybe it should. We should do a disclaimer on on top of messages, saying, But can. Can we just remove the comment? Maybe it's going too far.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And we we see that we and we are including discussions that we we didn't have.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: although we think it is important.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
avri doria: Hello! This is Aubrey, if I can
avri doria: correct the comments, and it pardon me for not having a camera on the one was I was actually producing a quote, somebody said, using the the legacy markers of quality. Now, what I took that to mean and what it seemed to mean there is. Let's not just walk away from all the standards we had for quality. So it wasn't using a legacy provider of information. It was. Basically, let's use the same kind of metrics and
avri doria: measures and markers of quality that we currently use on other information. So that was the point that was being made, or at least that I thought was being made. But the quote itself was legacy markers of quality. And the other question I asked about why? Particularly civil society. Of course they're critical, but all stakeholders are critical, and one is not
avri doria: particularly more important than another. Sorry for confusing you all with my way of putting things in chat.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Ok, thank you for clarifying. The question is, of course, there was a comment in the session regarding trusts to reliable sources.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: is this something we need to put in the messages.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: can we? It's it
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it it kind of it. It seems to me to be be
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: general and and not really necessary to be in the messages. So if you agree, then we we do not put it in the messages.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: No objection. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay, thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Any other comment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: yeah, this is just
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: short comment. I think that you really did a great job summing up this session more or less, and I feel that subtopic 3 is kind of already well summarized. Maybe if you would like to consider something that was also so discussed. But really like this is just to have a summary, so I understand that we can't put everything. But there was some discussion as well on like
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: minorities, and how they are affected by the fact that we train systems in English, mostly, etc. That was at the end of the session, more or less so. There was also some discussion on that. If you want to consider that when we're writing the messages.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: maybe that could be there. But it's also
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: well we we aim to have like a short message. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it's not that I disagree with the way it's written, it's just it was mentioned, and the risk to minorities was mentioned, and the misqualification, of course, is a particular risk.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and we did not discuss in death by the minorities are fostered by Lms. That can translate everything and makes everything accessible, or whether they are disadvantaged. Because, Lms. I'm not trained in their language as much as in other languages. So I think this might be in very interesting topic. But I don't think this was center of of that topic. Yeah, I agree. I just wanted to point that out just in case. But I I understand that I think it looks
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: more or less like some broad summary. So I think that's good.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, the the process for these messages will be. The reporters will rework, including the minor comments. I think there was no strong disagreement on all of the messages will work on this. It will go on the commanding platform.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and we'll stay there for one more week. And this is then just for the org team, focal points and org team and reporters to find the final wording, which will be very close to what we've seen here, so there won't be different messages.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: but we have. We are running out of time a little bit.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We have one more message to agree on. And this is basically
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: a very important one on the global digital compact and on the international processes. And I will set up the computer for the last set of messages and ask also Mark Cavell already to come down because he drafted them. We basically drafted them already in a team. On Tuesday morning it was in the agenda. Everyone was invited, and there were, indeed, a number of people in the room who agreed already on something. So this is not the work of a sole reporter, but of a team.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and it was open to everyone. Actually. So I will put this up. Now, Mark, no need for your computer
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and in the meantime, if I can share just a few statistics, perhaps about the online moderation and interaction. So in the last 3 days we had quite an intense discussion both on site but also from the remote. And it's not a chance that you see me here seated all the times, and although the speakers are changing.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'm the vessel of communication sometimes for many that prefer to type the questions, sometimes because the connectivity issues, but also making the bridge between the participants who joined us online, both as speakers and as people from the audience. So we had around
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 20 to 30 participants joining in remote. During the keynote sessions the number went slightly upper, which makes sense, because at some point people just break for the workshops.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But it's really interesting. And the discussions that also some of you, because the names keep popping up as people who
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: prefer to have a digital twin somehow in the zoom session and come and continue or extend their points of view. And it's really interesting, at least 1st time on my end to do so. So I'm really thankful also for that opportunity. And I think you did a marvelous job, Joao. Thank you very much can I ask?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Can I ask the messages from this screen to be shared here on the big one again?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Done fantastic. So mark the floor is yours. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Sandra. Good afternoon. Everybody.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the global Internet governance processes were discussed
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on Monday. There was the opening plenary.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and we also had a pre-four session
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on on Monday, which was a valuable opportunity really to to update
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: participants in your dig on
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the status of the various processes. I mean, there are 4 processes we
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we touched on and had presentations on
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the global digital compact. Which is this UN Secretary General's proposal that will be
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: launched
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: at the summit of the UN. Summit of the future. In September
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: there is an ongoing negotiation process in New York
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: at the UN. To finalize the text, so that text
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: is not yet
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: finalised. But we have been tracking the progress.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and we have been consulting on
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on the the iterations iterations of the draft as it's gone through negotiation. There've been 2 so far, 0 draft
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and a Rev. One draft.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and we're expecting another version of the draft to emerge next week as a result of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: further negotiations going on amongst the Member States.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So that was the Gdc. The other 3 are the risks plus 20 Review
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and Anna Nevich, the vice vice chair of the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Commission on Science and Technology for Development. I don't know if Anna's here. Actually.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: she led the presentations and discussions on the wishes plus 20 review.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We also had presentations on net Monday plus 10,
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the outcome documents from that in Sao Paulo a few weeks ago.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and also we had a presentation from the European Commission on the Decoration
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: for the future of the Internet. The Dfi, as we, as we referred to it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So we, the discussions, have touched on all those processes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we have come up with
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: messages relating to 2 of them, because they were the most sort of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: discussed and and most immediate
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: processes that we felt would
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: be good for you and dig to develop messages on. Indeed, the ones the messages on the global digital compact. Our intention is to communicate those
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: messages
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: following this year a big meeting. If everybody agrees
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on the text of these messages, we will communicate those to the Co. Facilitators in New York of the Gdc. Process, the the permanent representatives of Sweden
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and Zambia.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we had as as Sandra said, we had a
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: drafting session on Tuesday morning on the Ddc ones, and this is what is up on the screen. Now.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: shall I just quickly read, read through? I'll go go through them quickly.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So 5 messages relating to the Gdc.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Udig looks forward to the opportunities to amplify the process and objectives of the global digital compact. Gdc. Following the summit of the future.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Uedig offers to play its part in contributing to and monitoring progress in the implementation of Gdc commitments at the local and regional community levels.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Now this, this picks up
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: a statement in paragraph 73 of the current
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: draft of the text about the role of the I. Gef.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And its national and regional networks. So there is acknowledgement in the text as it currently stands to the potential contribution of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: regional Igf, such as Uedig, and also at the National level.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Second message, you dig strongly supports the commitment
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in the Rev. One draft text account draft
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of the Gdc. To strengthen the multistakeholder model of governance.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and advises against any watering down of this commitment
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in the finalization of the text in the coming 2 to 3 weeks.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So, as I say, this is an ongoing negotiation, and we in our discussion.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: a point was made that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: there's the risk that there will be some pushback on multi-stakeholder governance.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: possibly from the G. 77, and China in the current negotiations. So this is
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: our message to the co facilitate is that we would not.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We would in effect, oppose any watering down of this commitment to multi stakeholder process.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Next, a message. Udig believes that the Gdc process should build on the strong foundations established by the wishes instead of creating new mechanisms. So this is a
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in effect, a restatement of what we've been saying as a community of stakeholders
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: all throughout this process, that we would not want the Gdc. To start setting up new entities, new processes which would duplicate existing ones created by the wishes in particular, which have been proven to be so successful and should be built on. So it's a reaffirmation of that position
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that's been communicated by by stakeholders in Europe on on on many occasions. So far.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: next message, your dig supports enhancing the role of the Igf.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: picks up really the sort of sense in the drafting of the Gdc. That the Igf
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: has an important function. But there are points about the continued evolution of the Gdc.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And improvements to it, as well to increase its inclusivity and diversity of participation, and also issues like funding. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: this statement really affirms our commitment to the Igf. And the continuing evolution of the Igf.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And then the final one. Udig recommends simplifying the process of Ddc. Follow up
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and review of the implementation of the Ddc commitments
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: with a substantive role for the Internet governance forum and the wishes forum.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so that non-governmental stakeholders can fully contribute to the process.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Now, if if for those of you who've looked at the current draft
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the section on the follow up.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's quite a complex array of UN entities that are being tasked with particular aspects of review of the of the implementation and the follow up of the Gdc. Generally following the summit of the future in September.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This is going to be a challenge for stakeholders
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to connect with those various UN. Processes, to have the capacity to engage to be able to navigate them. So this is really a statement from stakeholders in in Europe that this process needs simplifying and and centering in particular on the wishes Forum and the Igf as as the sort of important central channels for stakeholder engagement.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So those are the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 5 proposed messages for the Gdc. We also have.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We have to scroll down to cover the Wizis plus 20. Maybe we do this first.st Oh, we do the first.st Okay? Yep. So the questions to the audience is, is this
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: something you could support
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to be sent out?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: There's a thumb up or the thumbs up, down.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Are these agreements, or are these hand raised?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Good.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, that looks like it's a hand raised.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But so many hands went up. So sorry if I missed one handrais.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: These bright lights make it difficult to see everybody. Thank you, Sebastian Bashar.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 2 questions, the 1st one, when we say that Eurodig offer blah blah blah at the local level.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think we need to find a way. Don't we need to find a way to talk about the local Igf or the national Igf. And my second
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: question is, do we have somewhere? Because I understand that we didn't finish with the messages something supporting what's happened in Munich. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Sorry.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: national level.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the local and the regional community level. As mentioned. Sebastian. So this is
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in the 1st part
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and on net Mandal we discussed in this drafting group whether we would like to cover each and everything. But in order to send a strong message on one process.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we suggested to concentrate on, as Mark said earlier on the 2 ones that have been all around
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in the discussions much stronger than the Declaration on the Internet of the future and the net, Mandel.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: That's why we took those 2 out not and not commenting on those.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And for the 1st one it's written we talk about, but it's that Eurodig will take
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: into account, not the local activities. Therefore I I think we need to say that Eurodic offered to play its part, but maybe had that local level will also take part of this monitoring of the process, and not because it gave the impression that we are jeopardizing the the monitoring. We will do that. Just a yodig and not the other level.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's it's why I have trouble with this sentence, and regarding I am sad that we don't support, and we have a strong mission about net. Munja. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, we I mean, we are talking as Euridic at the moment, and and I mean the point is well taken, Sebastian, but and and we hope, you know, in our when we go back to our individual countries and engage in our national Igf processes
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that we can, you know all
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: you know, communicate that fact that there is the opportunity to contribute to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: taking forward promoting the Gdc. And and undertaking activities relating to its implementation at the national level.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But for the purposes of a year deep message, I think we just have to have to focus really on what we have discussed here as as as the European regional community. I hope that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I don't. I don't. We haven't discussed. You know how to how to do this at the European level, really yet, but at the national level we haven't discussed at all.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We can't speak on behalf of all the National archives, can we? No, we can't. There is another. This is Thomas. I'm here in the back. So one minor and one more important comment. The minor one is, I would always refer to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the UN. I, Jeff, because those countries and stakeholders that are not really happy with the multistakeholder approach. They need to be reminded that this is a UN institution, so that sometimes it helps them to see it in a more positive light. It's a detail at the UN. I jef.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and then about net mondial. I think net Mandal is not any initiative just like the Dfi, or something net mondial is
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: a guidance to make multi-stakeholder and multilateral processes more transparent, inclusive, and accountable. So this is fundamental, and I think we should. And this was raised in the discussions think we cannot ignore that we now have a tool.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the net mandar guidelines, to actually help these processes to be inclusive and accountable. So I really think we would make a mistake if you would not refer to that. This is not just any process. This is very fundamental in my view. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, shall we take that away and and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: consider then an additional message.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, Ida Thomas, you're making a very concrete proposal there to add net. Mundell. Right. Now.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: please. Then, we need to get it in now, or it has to be a drafting process. That is open 5 seconds. And then, okay, 5 seconds. Let's go to the visit. 12, 5, 5 Italians, but otherwise any other comments or disagreement.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Giacomo.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: you support Sebastian
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Giacomo. You are not. You need to have the microphone. It's just next to you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think, that we need to mention the national Igf.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This is not only a Eurodig proposal, and I think, if not, we are reducing our
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: importance. Let's say
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: yes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Sebastian wants to make a proposal. You. You need a minute more to think about it. Sebastian wants to make a proposal, we cannot jump from topic to one topic to another.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: No, no, no, Sebastian, sorry in the respect of inclusivity. We need a mic.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I hope you don't.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Weldon.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Something like
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: along with the national Igf. We we don't need to see if they agree, but we say that we will work with them if they decide not to work with us. It's another topic. But for Eurodig offer to play along with the other with the national Igf. It's part in the continuing, in contributing to, and so on and so forth. I am not a 1st language English speaker. Sorry about that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We would add it at the very end, where you say so that non governmental stakeholders can fully contribute to the process, using the net mondial multi stakeholder guidelines as inspiration. To make as an inspiration, to make processes more inclusive, transparent, and accountable. These are the free keywords that you need to have. The rest is added to you
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: as an inspiration. Yes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: please call them Sao Paulo guidelines.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: whatever.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So how to do it?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So what was it? As an inspiration
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: for making
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: else this is more
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: transparent, then account whatever.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Good.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Then, coming back to the national and regional Igf, well, usually I don't have an opinion on the on the topics. But here I do have indeed an opinion, and I tend to agree with Mark that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we are not
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the forum that can speak for national and regional Igf, and we are sending out the messages as Eurodig, and while I and everyone agrees on the importance of the national and regional Igf.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we as Eurodic.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we can not do much more than to offer.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and this is the point we can offer
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to play our part
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in contributing and monitoring the progress
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in the implementation
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on the Tdc. At the local and at the regional level. The thing is
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: what we offer is not always wanted, or there is not always a big
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: feedback from a national level to be honest.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and some national Igfs really want to only focus on their
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: national topics
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and don't want any regional
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: initiative to interfere, and what they do. And that's why I think we can't do more than we offer to play our role.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And this I can just say, from a process point of view.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that's correct.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's not that the local level plays no role. This is not what is saying.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's saying Eurodig offers. And this is what what comes out of this forum. Eurodig offers to play its part.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah, Sebastian, you don't have a mic. Please take the mic.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Ok, if you want in that direction. But why? You think you already will play a role at the local level. Therefore, either we say we will play the role along with idf, as
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it includes the local level. Or we say, as a regional level, as it's our level. It's 1 or the other, I think.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But up to you
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think the question is rather, what is our role? What can we do?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And this would be? And another big discussion on what is the role of Eurodig. But we say we can offer to play, but we have 2 more hands rise that I would give 1st Wolfgang. So if the mic can go down to Wolfgang, and then Adam is on the open mic.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Oh, that's fine. Here.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Is there a way out? Okay, my proposal is full. Stop after Gdc commitments full stop after Gdc commitments
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and to lead at a local regional and community levels.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I I don't think it's a great idea to be editing
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in plenary. I'm sorry, Sebastian. We cannot speak for people who are not in the room. I'm involved with the number of national and regional Igfs. And while I think
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 99% that they agree with what you say, you cannot speak for people and not in the room. You cannot do that in processes like that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we do not have the right or the authority to speak for people, and not here. We speak for ourselves, and that is euro dig. As Sandra said, it's just not how you edit text. So if you want a document that's going to be respected, you have to do it this way. Sorry.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay. Are there any other? There is one from Lucien.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'm so on something innocently. On the 3rd paragraph
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it says she, built on the strong foundation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: etc, on, on.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'd say, strong accomplishments, or something like that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: or add accomplishment somewhere.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Maybe strong accomplishment of the wishes, instead of creating new mechanisms.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: feels.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I mean, stronger. Yeah.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if I understand you correctly, you want to add
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: something to the effect that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we should build on what has been achieved by these foundations created by the Mrs. Maybe that comes in the Viss's paragraph.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, it's not explicitly covered in the wishes plus 20 section
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: recognition of achievements
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of what was created by the wishes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But I mean I I mean, I'm happy to add some
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: acknowledgement of what has been achieved.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: based on on the wishes
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: based on what the wish is created.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So possibly it would be so. If we go back to the Gdc text. We can include it here, positive linkages and achievements.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, that's that's only about how these these these
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 3 processes intersect and mutually reinforce each other, and so on. I would suggest, Lucien.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Think about it for a moment, and come up with a very, very concrete sentence, where you think it can go in
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: because we can't
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: follow what you just had in mind right now, please come up with a very concrete proposal within the next 2 min.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and we see if we can include it, just like we included Annette Munyale. That what Thomas suggested is that okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: good. And in the meantime I would encourage us to have a look at the this is
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: review because we are really running over time now.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So Mark, if you would read us these 3, these 3 messages have been drafted
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: by Anna Neves, the vice chair of the of the Cstd. So I'll go through them. New dig recognizes the positive linkages between the wishes plus 20 review, the global digital compact and the 2030 agenda for sustainable development.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So that, as I said just a few minutes ago, it's about
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: recognizing how these 3 processes relate to each other in in in a positive way.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The second part of this message is, your dig believes there needs to be a comprehensive understanding of the process of the wishes, plus 20 review
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the 3rd part, the review should not undermine the achievements of both the 2,003 and the 2,005 phases of the wishes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It should instead be primarily an opportunity to improve the processes of multi-stakeholder Internet governance and global digital cooperation stop.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So they there. There are the messages in respect of the wishes plus 20 review.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And it follows the discussions on global processes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Buy you a dig. And also the Csd consultation on the wishes plus 20 review which Anna chaired
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on on Monday. Monday. Yeah. Okay? So there's 1 comment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: thank you actually haven't seen this part. But now, seeing this, I think actually the using the Sapola guidelines and so on, would actually better be placed at the end of the wishes, because it's more general. It's not just about the Gdc. And then I would. I would so would suggest to to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: put the words
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: using the San Paulo guidelines blah blah blah
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: as an inspiration.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Then put them at the end of the of the Vc. Section.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and then another suggestion is.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: but this is up to you. I would
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: not only say we should use it as an opportunity to improve the processes of multi-stakeholder Internet governance, but of multilateral and multi-stakeholder, because the multilateral processes need at least as much improvement as the multi-stakeholder ones. But this is up to you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: any comments of all major concerns on the visits. Review message.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you very much. Carl Gomberg, from the Internet Society. I had one addition on the last paragraph. I think we're missing in the Wissis.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The implementation of a Geneva plan of action
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: is very focused here on Internet governance. But there is a whole
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: aspect of the wishes that is, about expanding connectivity, etc.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So there should be something around further progressing the implementation of the actual lines. I think
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'm also a bit
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: questioning improved processes of multi stakeholder Internet governance, that sort of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: presumes that there are problems today. And I'm not really sure what those would be when we're talking about Internet governance. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: those are my comments.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So how would you replace then, when you say improving is
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: too wrong enhancing, we have concrete suggestion. Please enhance in that case because improve. It sort of presumes that there is some problem with Internet governance. I mean, we know that the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Internet governance system is actually working very well. So a message saying that we need to improve it, I think, is not accurate, but rather that we should emphasize other aspects of whistles, like the implementation of the actual lines.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: which is really where we're lagging behind. It's not on the Internet governance side. It's on
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: actual lines on the actual lines. I'm not so sure if this is really.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of course, it is our cup of tea as well. But since we are an Internet governance forum. We focused on the Internet governance aspects of all this. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: is it. Is this really, then, important to mention
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: all the other
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: parts of that process as well.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Oh, you know, I would think it's it's relevant to talk about the whole of the wishes, and those are important components of the wishes. If we're mentioning the Wizards plus 20 review. An important part of the wishes plus 20 review is not only the sort of Tunis agenda and an Internet governance pieces. It's also the I mean, we're mentioning the 2,003
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Geneva plan of action in here. Right? So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the Geneva plan of action is not about Internet governance. It's about those action lines. So if we're already talking about today, what extra? Yeah, we should definitely include the the wording, then that you suggest.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'm not sure if I have any wording top of mind, but something around
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: enhanced the process of multilateral.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I don't know renewed commitments on implementing the action lines, or something like that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But a mentioning of the action lines, I think, is important.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: My only thought is perhaps
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: after refer, we refer to the 2 phases of the wishes
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we could add something like with particular reference to the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: action lines.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: what? What do we say about the action lines, the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I mean completion of the actual night. They're not complete, are they going? They're ongoing, aren't they?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I mean, they haven't been realized. The objectives of the action lines haven't been realized. I mean, we're still talking about 1 3rd of the global population is not connected. Right? Like those type of issues
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: should be a focus of the plus 20 review process.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: They are really the critical pieces of the plus 20 review. It's not the Internet governance part. The Internet governance part works well.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: sure we can enhance it. But
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the world is not struggling when it comes to governing the Internet, they're struggling with connecting down connected. If you're looking at it from the wiz's perspective.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: how how about I just, you know.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: trying to keep this
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: this text as concise as possible
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: without too much complication through going to detail. So, after
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the faces of the wishes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: with particular reference to the progress with the action lines.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: how about that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'd be happy to just you know, it's it's something that's still going on.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah, yeah, absolutely something that's still going on. My point was really that when we're talking about wizz plus 20 review, we shouldn't miss out on the opportunity to talk about the Geneva plan of action and the action lines.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And because right now it's only focused on the Internet governance component of a proposal that may help
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if I can. I think I think he is right that we should not talk only about Internet governance if we have the 2,003 and 5 phase, the action lines are implicitly there. So my proposal trying to actually make it simple would be that the last sentence would read it should instead be primarily an opportunity to enhance
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the processes of Internet governance and global digital policy and cooperation. Because if we should not also fall into the traps under that, we consider ourselves, the Internet, governance is just a part of digital governance.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of Internet governance and global digital policy and cooperation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So that also the digital policy and cooperation. And then you can delete the rest until using the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: yep.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay, that makes it clear that it's not just Internet governance. That is the whole picture. The point is we.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if we, if our narrative is to speak about what has been discussed here. We did not discuss the action plans. This is the point. I understand your thing, but it was not discussed in this forum.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Right? Yeah. But the thing is this is why digital policy. We discussed AI, we discussed. We didn't just discuss the question is, what do you understand? By Internet governance? And again.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we risk to be interpreting it very narrowly. So if you just keep it as general as this would reference to both.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We then say that Internet governance and global digital policy is the whole thing.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And we did not only discuss critical Internet resources here, we discussed many other things that are way beyond
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: a core as a narrow interpretation of Internet governance. So I think that, okay, I think there's consensus here.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So last word, Lucian, did you come up with something concrete on the proposal you made? I was saying that on action lines clearly we need to be. I agree with Thomas.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: One of the problems with the Gdc. Is cornering Igff and related processes. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: agreeing that we actually.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: you know, discuss a number of processes that are not just relating to intent governance is quite important, mentioning or not action lines whatever. On the 3rd paragraph, yeah, under Gdc.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: kind of the same concerns, my main concern is by only speaking about foundation
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and not accomplishment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's limiting, in my view, I'd say, maybe strong foundation and accomplishment of the wishes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: instead of creating a new mechanism, but better, as is better, what's missing?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I guess I don't know. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: do you think it's covered? If you just add accomplishments. Yeah, yeah.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Accomplishment. Or.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: a slight linguistic thing. You can't establish an accomplishment. Yeah, that's what I was. Gonna say, Olivier, speaking. So just make it strong foundations and accomplishments of the wizards of the wiz's. Okay, yeah, that fixes it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It makes makes it stronger and better, in my opinion.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and take out. Take out to stop register.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I mean the the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: thank you for that. I mean, it's a valuable addition. But of course the key messages is not not
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: set up new processes, new mechanisms. That's that's the that's the real inherent
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: key message here. Okay, well, thank you. Everybody
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: for that. And thank you for those who joined our Duffy.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, thank you very much. Please stay in the room for a little while.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Pun.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Sorry
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if you allow me just a short comment regarding the enhancing the role of the Igf comments.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think it needs some more
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: flesh to the bone, if if you allow me to say.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: because certainly when we are talking about the Icf.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We are talking about resources. We are talking about institutional capabilities, and so on.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: just as a
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: remark that if you could maybe elaborate a bit more on it
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: going further. That would be useful many texts. I'm Jana. Here, we don't finish Mfa.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, thanks. We we did discuss this in our drafting.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: because I was really focusing on, you know, inclusivity and diversity, and so on. But we decided to sort of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: converge all our thoughts about
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: evolving the Igf with this simple statement. So it was. It was a matter of establishing A text that was simple and and resonant
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to think about anything, Sandra. The thing is that that sentence Eurotix supports the enhancing role of the, and we will include you in Igff was a paragraph before.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And we started discussing about this paragraph in detail. And then we said, Let's make it a really strong and simple message, and that's it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: That was.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: huh! Shorter is better. Says it's a gentleman in the front.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, ministers. When I was working in the Uk Government, that was a message from the ministers always keep the things short. So yeah.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: is there a final comment from? But don't open Pandora's box again, please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's working. Yes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, I am.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The message are not there anymore, but in the wishes, the second one. It doesn't mean anything. I can't repeat it because it's not there, but they're simply.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'm thinking, what are we saying here?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think it needs an example or a message after what is being said, because it means nothing. What it says.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Actually, the word watering down is a pretty strong word, and it means quite a lot. It means that the current status of the draft as it is, is acceptable
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: or is appreciated.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and that it should not go beyond what we have at the moment, because there is a risk that in the next negotiation phase. It's the wizard's 1, the second wizards one this one
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: right, but in the wishes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the second the second one. In my opinion, it we don't say anything, because anybody can be. Whatever the word was, I can't read it, but I think it doesn't have a meaning. What it says there, and I think that it needs an example.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: or it needs an explanation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Now it disappeared.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Oops! There it is. The Eurodig believes there's a comprehensive understanding. What does it mean?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It could be that a hundred people think it should be destroyed. And then we think it's a comprehensive understanding
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it could be. Everybody agrees. That's a good idea to to continue it to plus 40.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Anna is unfortunately not in the room, and I can tell it
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: you don't work for a government you're not negotiating in the UN. This
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the way I read it is just saying, Don't rush. Don't take unreflected decisions. Now, ie. Create new institutions.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: That's what I think it says in diplomatic language, that's what this would mean. It's not supposed to mean anything. But wait and don't do anything. Now, that's my, maybe that helps. Okay, so so wait until everything comes. I think this is a good final word.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Any last comment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Great substance?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: No? Then let's go to the last part of that evening. I need Thomas here again, and I also need Raina to bring me some stuff.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I would like to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 1st of all, also invite Rima, our moderator of the 3 days. Rima, do you have a final word to say to the audience from your point of view?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: 1st of all, thank you for everything for being here. Thank you. All the team who helped me and supported me, and what you heard you heard messages, so now it's time to spread them. As they said that day. 0 business is the perfect
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: place from where you can spread the messages all over the world, and I was thinking as well that you already have
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: everything, especially you've diggers. You already have everything. So just believe yourself and do what you want to do. Do what you believe. That's the main thing from my own experience. Life, experience. Not very long, but still, you know, I know when you believe you can do whatever you want, just believe in yourself and what you want to do, what you want to change. That's my message to you all. So thank you guys.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: See, just takes time.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah, this is the end.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: not of life. Part of your day this year, almost, of course. So this is the moment to say, Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah. And so, and on my hand, they can all leave us reviews. We're waiting to review. Thank you through the reviews, and also say, what what the ideas do you have to improve it? I'll be very short. So I hand over to Sandra.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And now it's up to me to not forget everyone who significantly contributed. So 1st of all, the fantastic host.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And here I would like to call to Yorata if she is still here. I know we were running over time. Yes, she is fantastic.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So you rather, if you
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: would like to join us
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: touching discussions a bit.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Inga, of course.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: speaking on your
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Gintada.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Of course, Rima, you should check your seat here as well.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Seat.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And is Paul Lee in the in the room?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Paolo? No, Paul is not Paulo is from Govil News, and they were the one who welcomed us here in the city, Reina and me for the site inspection in in a very nice, nice manner. So maybe you take a bit the space of this.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you very much again. I think it was a special Eurodic in respect that we had a fantastic
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: involvement of the local community. This was really what made this Euro Dick so special, not only from you as a host team. But honestly, from what the community the people from Lithuania contributed in the session planning process. Already there were speakers on panel. There were focal points.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: They were engaged from the very early days until today, and we could hardly see any better local involvement. And this is also thanks to you for mobilizing the community and for welcoming us here.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So it would be fantastic if your community stays connected to Eurodig, and if we will see some of you or some of those who were active here today in in the future that would be really fantastic
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: have it
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: should unable to turn it on. And
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Actually
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it was an adventure for us, because this Eurodeig was not only the 1st Eurodig for us as a host.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: but also as a participant.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So, secondly, it was a really Mmm.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Interesting experience
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and a great honor.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I would like to express my gratitude for sharing that experience and honor with our partners and supporters, and also I think that it was successful.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and it was successful because of you participants that you were engaged. You were active, you shared your ideas. You even employed AI to draft the messages, so I think it's really very successful.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And finally it was powered. It was powered by communications regulated authority by Rt. Our, our team, our great team, and not to have a wrong impression that only 4 of us participated in on organizing and hosting. I have to. You know I have to to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to see all the names of our team people are behind that. Not AI, not AI.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I am thankful very much to Nadir de Vitalia, Raymond, Eiste, Rayanata, Dairus, Viktor, Oremas, Rimas, Maria Rima, Rita, Gintare, Polus Eurata Ritis, Mekola Vilus, Elgies
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: our Speakers, and Moderators, Indre Vidantes Kristina Darius. Special thanks to Vida for the session, was the next game changer in future connectivity. I hope you enjoyed it to Inga, for for idea. It was her idea and ignition. And our catalyst Eustina, you did a great job for us to succeed, Eustina, and also I'd like to thank the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: family members, family, members of the kids and friends of their kids, Uttar Rapolas, Greater Rugilla, Patrizia, Kristina Urbilus. And I would like to ask you to make a very loud applause to the Rt. Team.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it!
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And because there are so many it would be too much to have them all here on stage, but we would like all of you to be outside for a family picture.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and what we have for you as a little, thank you, is a voucher, so that you can do some online shopping for the effort that you did when you are asking, what actually have they done? They've been our remote moderation hosts and session host. They've been at registration. They helped setting up the technical stuff when we arrived with our van, so they really were engaged from the very early days of setup until the last moment. Thank you very much for making that possible.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and then I would also ask if there are still some of the cooperation partners in the audience, namely, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Lithuania, is someone still here.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: because they also contributed a lot with sending out invitations reaching out to high level participants. Oh, wonderful
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and as well! The Ministry of Transport communication is someone here from this Ministry and the Ministry of Economic and Innovation
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the Information Society Development Committee. So I would like to ask those people
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to come also to the stage.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I said to Foreign Ministry, foreign Ministry was mentioned.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So only 2 ministry representatives. Indeed, when we.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: when we visited Lithuania in September, after the magic Whatsapp from Inga came.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We met, indeed, already 3 ministries, and that was also something very extraordinary. We met with the ministry, the Vice minister of the Ministry of Innovation and Economics, and Transport and communication, and Agnes, the Minister of Transport and Communication, even represented the Eurodic messages from Tampa at the Global Igf and Kyoto. So also from a Ministry level. There was a fantastic involvement.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the Foreign Affairs Ministry, as I said, already, reached out to their counterparts across Europe, trying to get the greatest involvement here on, on, also on a high level. So thank you very much for that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and we have a big box for you with some liquids involved, and we hope that you and your team will find a good time soon to to enjoy a little wine from the region where I'm coming from. It's the same region where this presence are coming from Meissen.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So it's a small area, but with very high quality wine, and we hope you enjoyed this as a team. I don't give it to you now, because it's heavy. You just take it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of course, and then we would like to thank the company that is accompanying us for quite a long while already. 3 people are here this year, the 4th left already after setup. We met them in the pandemic. They are getting better and better every year in order to really provide a smooth transition between pictures, sounds, and that everything works really perfectly.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: A very big thanks to Nadia and Rayna.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Match up.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think you should come down now.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But Nadia and Reiner, I think you should both come down Elizabeth. Yes, Nadia Reina and myself, plus Elizabeth, to a great to a certain extent, are basically forming the Secretariat. We are not more people. It's only the 3 of us. Nadia is responsible for all the youth participation activities which is quite a lot.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Reiner is responsible. You, if you worked for Eureka, you have possibly communicated with him on the session planning process, and you will recognize that Reiner never replies in less than 24 h, even faster. That's really extraordinary. He's working day and night in order to have the Vicki up to date, and to help and assist the session planners to the greatest extent possible. So thank you. Reiner and Nadia
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Elizabeth is unfortunately not here with us, but she's still doing our communication on social media and newsletters. So if you read this, this comes from Elizabeth, but this is really it. So if you help us to find better resources, we might engage some more people, because there's more work to be done.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Then I would also like to thank Jo and Sophia Joao joined for
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: is is Sophie in the room?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, please come down. Joao is a former, you stick participant, and was on the organizing team of Youstic this year, and also now took over here a vital role as the remote participation. Moderator. Well done, Joao! Fantastic job!
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And of course, Sophie, who is also with us since a couple of years she is managing all the volunteers that agree to host the sessions to be remote moderators for the workshops, so she is their supervisor and troubleshooter. Thank you very much, Sophie.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We did not have captioning this year only for one session, but still we are in contact with them. We hope you did not miss captioning too much
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the transcript that was generated by the Geneva platform reporters or by zoom, we will see which transcript is of a better quality. We'll go into the Vicki.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so we are not missing the transcript entirely. We just not didn't have the fun to provide live transcription here, but also a thanks to caption first, st who stepped up for one session for people that have particular needs because of disabilities to have also a live transcript. We only did it for for one session.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I think
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: this is it. Did I forget anyone?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, of course, as always, though.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: doesn't always need to be me to say Thank you, Sandra. You are again every year more amazing than the last year, and just thank you. And it's a great honor and pleasure to work with you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Actually.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: actually, I forgot the person. And actually it's a person very close to my heart, which is my goddaughter, Louisa
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Louisa joined the Houstick team this year, and then at a very early stage, took over being the timer and decorating the stage and everything. So for her it was the 1st experience at Eurydice. Thanks for joining us, Louisa, and sorry for forgetting you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, so then let's see where we are next year. We don't know it yet.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: On this. There's a few known unknowns, for instance, like, where and when will the global Igf happen, and that has, of course, some implications on Eurodig as well. No matter what the decision will be. We hope that by the summer break. We more or less know what that will mean, and and then we have to take it from there. So it's a little bit like life has become unplannable. We are also part of life. So this is how it is, but we are getting more and more flexible and agile and dynamic, and so we'll somehow find a way. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And maybe a last last thing, not on the organizational part, or to a certain extent, but on the expertise part we were extremely supported by the Council of Europe this year. They are our partners for many, many years already. Actually they made a Eurodig possible, but this year, bringing their Secretary General, bringing a lot of experts and supporting Lithuania as the host of the Council of Europe. Presidency at the moment
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: was really of great help. So thank you very much to all the people from Council of Europe.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But that's it. Have a good rest of the day. I would like to ask Lithuanian address.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: please, for the family photo with the organisers.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: You still there.