Intergenerational dialogue 01 2024
18 June 2024 | 17:45 - 18:30 EEST | Auditorium | 
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Consolidated programme 2024
Intergenerational dialogue on European Policies and Strategies
The increasing demand for young people to be recognised as stakeholders requires empowering youth in Internet Governance. This involves integrating younger topics, concerns, and perspectives that were previously underrepresented in such settings. To facilitate this inclusivity, a series of Intergenerational Dialogues brings together senior EuroDIG attendees, along with former and current YOUthDIG participants, providing an open and comprehensive platform to present youths' impressions on Internet Governance and discuss the Youth Messages.
Session description
This dialogue aims to bridge the gap between generations, fostering mutual understanding and collaborative efforts. During the session, youth participants (18-30 years of age) will reflect on the day's agenda and continue to raise pressing issues in a Fireside Chat format together with senior experts in Internet-related policymaking and diplomacy.
On 18 June, the Intergenerational Dialogue will explore the significant transformations in the media landscape and their profound impact on democracy. Together with experts, our youth participants will discuss the role of digital government services in enhancing citizen benefits while ensuring privacy protection. This session offers a platform for participants to discuss how these changes affect societal structures and the importance of safeguarding democratic values in a digital age, meeting the interests of a diverse group of stakeholders.
Format
During the 45-minute session, members of the YOUthDIG cohort will engage in discussion with senior policymakers about their vision for the future of the Internet, including their reflections on the day's agenda, a Fireside Chat with high-level speakers, and a Q&A session.
Further reading
Links to relevant websites, declarations, books, documents. Please note we cannot offer web space, so only links to external resources are possible. Example for an external link: Main page of EuroDIG
People
Programme Committee member(s)
- Vlad Ivanets
- Riccardo Nanni
The Programme Committee supports the programme planning process throughout the year and works closely with the Secretariat. Members of the committee give advice on the topics, cluster the proposals and assist session organisers in their work. They also ensure that session principles are followed and monitor the complete programme to avoid repetition.
Focal Point
- Nadia Tjahja, YOUthDIG
Key Participants
- Diego Fernández Menéndez, YOUthDIG 2024
- Laila Lorenzon, YOUthDIG 2024
- Gabija Skučaitė, Chancellor of the SMK College of Applied Sciences
- Nigel Hickson, Head of Internet Governance Policy at the UK Department for Science, Innovation, and Technology (DSIT)
Moderator
- Riccardo Nanni
Video record
Transcript
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Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: okay. And now we have our last part for today before, as I have to remind about social event in Town Hall. Yeah. So now it's time for intergenerational dialogue, and will reflect all the day. And I want to invite Moderator Ricardo Nani, and he'll present all the speakers. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: How can you? Humid?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: thanks. Thanks again for having us. Thanks again for allowing space for the intergenerational dialogue
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and for those of you who weren't here yesterday. The international dialogue is a new implementation from this year, where we
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: bring participants to the Youth Dick program in interaction with most senior participants in Internet governance, sharing experiences and views.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Today's intergenerational dialogue is going to be about the 2 main topics of today's Eurodig. So Eurodig sessions. So that is Govtech and EU digital policies. So I have with me 2 participants to the program. So Diego Fernandez, Menendez and Lila Laurenton
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and 2 key experts, Nigel Hickson and Gabby Escutaita thank you all for volunteering to participate in this session.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: To begin with, I'd like to ask Diego and Lila about to spend a few words about their
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: impression on highlights on today's today's sessions.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Can everybody hear me?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, good afternoon. So yes, I'm Diego. I really glad I got to speak for this intergenerational dialogue.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So there are a lot of points we could raise points of interest.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'd like to start because Nigel, I've actually talked to him was at the talk on child safety. And we actually, I'd actually like to raise this point because we didn't read second census at you. To think when we talked about Ids, which would be very useful for aids verification
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so to highlight that it is quite a complex topic. We do have some requirements in case that we ever pushed for a digital id.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The result of judiciary, or at least general result, I would say that I perceived, was that a digital id should be secure. 1st of all, that is, cybercriminals shouldn't be able to access in an illicit manner personal data from citizens.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And also it should also be inclusive, that is, anyone should be able to get a proper digital id, no matter the gender, the sexuality. And that is also the issue about. Perhaps people who are not do not have a regular state when it comes to immigration or having documents.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: if I may. I'd also like to point out we've talked a lot about data protection. And I'd like to raise the point that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: perhaps we've entered a false dichotomy where we're forced to choose between innovation and technology and the protection of our privacy.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I'd like to. I'd like to call out for perhaps home European innovation, because I am a believer, and I think that all fellow youth. Leaders believe in the Brussels effect that we can only do so much through regulation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and it is perhaps through innovation, through innovation, new solutions that by default protect our privacy that we might be able to change the status quo
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and perhaps build better Internet for everyone.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you very much.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity for being here and kinda representing a little bit of the youth dig so some points that caught my attention today that I thought it was very interesting.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: was specifically with regards to the Data AI to the Data Act
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and the potential of sharing and using mobile and telco data for research purposes to improve human development and human rights.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think it's very interesting, and it has a lot of potential to assist with, especially relief in climate change and environmental disaster situations. Unfortunately, I happen more and more
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so. I really like to see that this is already an ongoing discussion, and I hope it resonates with the rest of the world as the Gdpr. Did.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I thought that was a very nice point.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I also attended a session about connecting the unconnected, which was very, very interesting, and it was very cool to know about efforts that are being done outside Europe as well, such as in Central Asia.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on how to achieve connectivity, in hard to read, to read places.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and it reminded me a lot of my context in my home country, which is Brazil, and I thought it was very interesting, and maybe possible to learn with this methodology and adapt it to different contexts.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and to try to improve connectivity, because there was a story that the
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: speaker told about a group from Kyrgyzstan that started a Youtube channel about songs for children. And now is the most watched channel worthwhile like it has more views than Taylor Swift and Bts. And I think that was very interesting and a very good way to show the potential of Internet and connectivity and how it can change lives.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And that is very important to continue to strive for it, because.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: as we saw here. Almost half of the world continues not connected to the Internet.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So I was thinking, that's a very interesting point.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And also
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: with regards to this information and social media that we've been talking about.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I just kept thinking after some discussions as well. How can we do to build trust not only institutions, but among people, and also reduce polarization in this kind of post-troof era that we live in.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And I know that education is a way. But I was thinking, if education is the only way. So I think it's kind of an open question if
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: there would be other
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: initiatives or and other ways to tackle this
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: because I believe that this polarization that many countries are seeing now is a consequence of this information and the spread of fake news that we all talk a lot about.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And yeah, I guess that's it. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you. Island Diego very much. Now I'd like to leave the floor to Nigel and Gabia to react to the indeed, lots of food for thought that came up from the youth observation. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Ok, thank you so much. And good evening, and I'm very happy that there's so much youth in this panel.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And Ok, so this is very thoughtful. What you just brought to us to think about.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and my 1st reflection, when I was like hearing you and hearing
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: speakers here on the stage, was that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: probably I would reflect this dichotomy of.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: or polarisation of several things. And I think now we live in this world
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: where Internet connects everything like Internet, of everything, connects data, images, forts, and it's getting us somewhere. We don't know yet. But
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think there's
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: one
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: problem with this which is some diffusion of attention in this arena of Internet spreading out
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in the society in the humanity and which dissipate our focus. And that takes our time and attention. And one of the problem is that in this dissipation we need still to be focused on something meaningful. And I've just heard from the last session talking about meaningful things, meaningful connections.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And I was sitting here and I was listening to everything. And I was thinking that we need to get into more semantic understanding of what Internet is and because of how we are connected
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to the network and Internet, we need to come to some kind of internet of meaning. And to take some meaning from all this connection which is happening.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Connectivity is a very good thing. That's how we could reach each other. We could get into the connection of even our forwards and minds. On the other hand, we need to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: get from the distraction and extract something meaningful from that. And I think that's where youth needs to take voice, and we live in the world, of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: falls, through, of posts, through, of a lot of hallucination going on in the world. And that's, I think, the upper pole of this big
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: data world.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: That's where we have a lot of information, maybe too much. If we don't, do not extract right meaning of it. We can go really. Like
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on the bad way, not the right way, and the youth must be really thoughtful as you. You wait, you know, today, and saying all these things. I think we need to become more thoughtful about. You know where Internet is leading us, taking all the benefits of the connectivity, solving those
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: polarization areas and make everyone connected. But Internet of everything needs to be Internet of meaning as well. So very abstract, probably 1st of mine, and maybe Nigel will get some more concrete or something more into our discussion.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Oh, you have your own
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: thanks.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: yes, thanks very much. Can you hear me?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Oh.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I'm going to stand up for a second. Is that okay?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Can the can? The youth put their hands up?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I didn't think you were young. Oh, right? Yeah, Sebastian, so I'm
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so I'm so glad that you're with us, so to speak.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This is an incredibly important session. I do commend Ricardo for having the session it reminds me of of of a session at a UN igf in Buenos Aires years ago.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: when
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: there were awful lot of youth
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: turned up to debate some of their national legislation.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: They were passionate.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: they were committed.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: they knew what they wanted.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and they changed
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: what the government thought.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And this is sometimes what you have to do.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It is in your hands.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I love this intergenerational mix.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, we can advocate as governments. We can advocate as stakeholders some of us that have been around a while, but it really takes the passion, the commitment of youth, to really make a difference in this space. So I really commend Eurodig for embracing this concept of the the youth
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Eurodig. I think it's just so important. It's so important. The whole of the Igf
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that we hear
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: this voice.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and yes.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: what you have to do.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: You have to get through to governments, the false dichotomy that some of us policy makers have rested with this nonsense, this absolute nonsense.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that you can't have privacy, and you can't have security that somehow you have to do away
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: with privacy. Because, dear boy, dear girl. We don't, you know. We we want your privacy, really, but security is so much more important that perhaps you can have your privacy next week, and not. Now.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This is Tosh.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and it's for you to point this out
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: another one. You can't have end to end encryption. I'm very sorry, but you you know you just can't have it. Yes, I know it protects your privacy, but you can't have it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, why can't we have it, mister? Well, you know you're too young, really, dear boy, to understand that. So, you know, come back in 20 years' time, and I'll explain.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So it's for the youth of today to really get beyond some of these platitudes that for too long some of us policy makers have been been involved in
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so just a couple of detailed points on the session today, on on child online protection. Yes, I think it's very important. It's very important that governments
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: wrestle with abuse online. We heard some truly awful statistics. And in my job, over the last 25 years I've manned terminals
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and watch some of the action that goes on as part of my government duty. We help create the Internet watch foundation in the Uk and the marvellous job that they do. So. These things are very important, but at the same time we have to be so careful that the mechanisms we put in place don't, if you like, trample on human rights, don't trample on the very things that we hold so dear.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So the attention that some of you are giving to mechanisms of age verification are incredibly important
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: data protection data, innovation. Yes, data Protection. When the Gdpr. Came out
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: from the European Union, many of us went. Oh, no.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: not more. Not another data Protection standard.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But it's proved to be so important. It's proved to set a baseline for what we hold dear in terms of protection of data. And it's shown that protection of data can be done in a way that doesn't stifle innovation. Yes, of course.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: there is sometimes overreaction to what the Gdpr. Does, but it can be worked with. So I applaud that and believe you me, I lived in a country for a while that had no data protection. Laws.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: what do you think happened to medical records.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: What do you think happened to date dental records? What do you think happened to women's records in terms of giving childbirth?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: What happened to those records.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Where did they go?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: How do they get disposed?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Who sold them? Who transferred them?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We forget.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But many years ago we didn't have
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: data protection
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: data innovation. Yes, the sharing of data. The Uk are putting some measures in place. The European Union. Of course this is incredible, isn't it? This is this is what we come to rely on. So we know where the potholes are in our roads and things. We know when the buses are going to come. Well, sort of so data sharing, I think, has to be the future. We can predict things so much better when we have the right data.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And finally, just to to finish off on the on the connectivity point. I just called a bit of that debate. That debate was relevant to discussions we had at Icann last week in the high level government meeting in Kigali, where we had excellent discussions on inclusion in the African continent, where we could do more. It was pertinent to the discussions we had at the whist Forum a couple of weeks ago in Geneva.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, progress is being made, but so much more progress needs to be made, but I am confident I am confident, with the ingenuity, with the commitment, with the commitment, not just of the commitment of stakeholders and governments and businesses, but also the commitment of the people in the ground in the developing countries, putting the right legislation in place, getting rid of State monopolies, having telecoms, regulators
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: having
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: proper access regimes, scrapping this tax on icts.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we can do it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you. Nigel and Leila and Diego. Would you like to react.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, thank you for this. And I think it's really important that youth has those spaces. I just wanted to thank and shout out again to the you've taken initiative.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think it feels very good to be in a space and to feel actually heard, and that our opinions are actually taken into account, and that we're just not
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: decoratively participating. And
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in all of these meetings, and I think that the youth has exactly what Nigel was saying, this passion, this
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: drive, to change everything and feel that everything is possible. And I think that's exactly what we need to kind of break this paradigm and think about new ideas and think about how things can be done differently. Because
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: yes, a while ago we didn't have any of that. But things are constantly evolving. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I think it's really nice that we have all those spaces, and I just want to thank you again for also being invited here.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So, firstly, I'd like to thank Nigel for his inspiring words.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: He started talking about a passionate youth and passionate youth that was able to change Government's minds. I might be wrong about this quote, so please forgive me. I would be quite ashamed. But I believe my fellow youth figure Kathleen yesterday talked about youth being a state of mind, I might be completely wrong about the author of the quote, but I believe it was him during the Dialer.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and in that sense I'd like to point out that Nigel might as well be the youngest person in the room.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Fogo gave the most passionate speech.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I'd like to link that with importance. It was raised, that it was the youth, the one that had to save the Internet from becoming this postroth dystopian world, where we would lose all of the advantages that come with the connectivity, but it is perhaps an effort that should rely on the entirety of society. A young minded society
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in that sense it is the older generation that raises the younger generation, and although it is the responsibility of the youth to come up with the most groundbreaking concepts, it is only when they are properly raised by the older generations that they can contribute
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to society. So perhaps everyone should get involved with the current state of affairs of the Internet, because there are many parents out there, or even older generations who have children under the guidance.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And these children are going to be facing a brave new world, full of new, unexpected challenges, and only if the older generations are willing to inform themselves and become young, actually only then will they be able to to raise their children in this challenging environment.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: That's it. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Other remarks or questions from the audience, especially from the youth participants in the front.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: sway. Can you hear me? Yes, yes, great. Okay, thank you very much, all of you. Sorry that I could join just a quick later than expected, but I really enjoyed all the speeches. I managed to listen and thank you, Nigel, so you know, might be out for the passion. Actually, Diego stole my joke. Now, I wanted to say about just to answer to Lila, and to build on that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, we need to receive spaces, but I believe that youth.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Sorry I'm Francescovaki from Youth League. But, by the way, youth
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: not only just needs to receive spaces, we actually need to find our own spaces. We need to build our own spaces. We can, we shall, we must.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: We must make discussions about intergovernance, our political daily activity, because it is our world.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and we shall do that through whatever we want political activity with society. What's academia work whatsoever?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But no one is going to give us spaces as we received in Eurodig.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This doesn't mean that we can't find any space at all. So just let's try and keep this period even outside of your deed. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you. Laila Diego, would you like to react?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yes, thank you, Francesco, for your point. And yeah, I think we need to find those spaces, and I actually think, like the creation of the youth. Deck itself was an idea of you young people. So, in a way, it was young people trying to find a space and create this and make this possible.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And yeah, I think that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we exactly, we have this passion. And it's possible to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: create spaces by also talking to people and and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: adding this conversation, inserting this conversation in different spaces, in casual conversations
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: anywhere. We are, I think I agree with you. I think we can create those spaces. It doesn't need to be formal
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: like it is right now, but it can be just starting the conversation and getting the sparkle into someone else.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: To also try to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: make other young people feel the need to get involved as well and feel that they are also part of it.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: because I feel that sometimes the conversation can appear very complex or very distant, and very difficult to enter. But I feel that the more young people are there, and only if
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we talk to people in different places, we'll be able to show that it's everyone's priorities, everyone's word and actions.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I think that's a good way to start creating change.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you, Gavier, you want to say something. I think I really like that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The little move to understanding a person in Internet as a space, because, you know, as as a human being, we always act in some space. And Internet now becomes a huge space to act.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: but it, you know, it always takes an action
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to make move.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and when you are young, and you know, age is just a number. As you said you. You still feel young like
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: like me. I'm just a little bit older than you, but you know it's not that you not feeling young, but like some days ago, when I was like younger than I am young now, so I remember myself being very brave and bold in doing things, and I work in education for more than 30 years. So I see a lot of youth, and I see some difference, as you know, when we started, and especially in Lithuania, which was, you know.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in former Soviet Union settings. So people were quite like repressed a few decades ago. So now we needed to not just be free, but become free also as persons, as nation by action, by taking this freedom into action.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And we were acting, most of us who started loose like I started doing my own activity, my businesses when I was 13 years old, so I was like quite young at that time, and and I was taking all those bold actions. But
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: but what I see now, you know, we were acting from from the space of scarcity, and this great moving force. You don't have something you want to have. It moves you for it. Now it's a little bit different, like, actually, there's huge difference. Now we live in the world of
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: a lot of opportunities. And Internet is a space of opportunities. And that's the difference. When I see youth of today, there is.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: There's difference between
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: also some kind of dichotomy between them.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: One part like you are those who wants to act, who wants to make move, who wants to be bold and brave and create this new world.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and another part becomes a little bit pathetic. They embrace
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: apathy because of this
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: full Internet of everything which takes their attention, which takes their time. That's what I was talking before. That. Now is the time to really focus on what is needed, and to act boldly and to make every move. And I understand you that you want to change the whole world.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But that could be too much to start. So you can start from something smaller and do those steps as I did also in my region in my town. Then I moved to another town, and then you make, you know.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: through smaller moves, you make bigger moves. They become bigger because you are moving. So Internet as a space is full of opportunities. But be careful
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: taking those opportunities which is really worth to take
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and do small steps. You don't need to change the whole world because world is changing. No matter, you do something or not. This is not a big mission, because it's already happening. But you can make your move. You can make smaller steps and actually change yourself and change something smaller around you. Some people like school.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: community or region. So that's what I'm really like.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Also
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: like supporting you to do, actually even asking you to do because we need someone to take action. We are getting not like older. But still we have some limitations. We can expand them. But there are. So I'm really believe in that youth which is powerful movement.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and use that power of Internet for your good, for your good and for the society's goods, and we are not leaving. As you said, we are taking our responsibility, too.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to support you. We are not like taking you. You do your thing. Now we are getting to just relax and see how we are doing. We really want to support you. But so that's intergenerational means that there's no actually intergenerational together, we just need to act together with you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Any other questions remarks from the audience.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: This vote
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: about a week.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Baltimatres. I'm going to start repeating what I said yesterday, because we hear from youth these ideas.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and very verbally
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: strong, verbally presented
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so in other ways.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Why does that only happen at here, at Euro and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in at Igf? Probably in December, in Saudi
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: yesterday I asked the question, isn't that possible to do, for example, at the Itu, because Tomas Salamanowska was sitting there, and he did this, but we didn't have time to hear his response, unfortunately.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: but
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: thinking that through
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: things like Icann, Itu, etc. Are far more focused on specific topics. And here we talk about everything.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So what would be the added value to bring youth to that sort of conferences as well, and I think there are 2.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: One is that you can bring them together on a specific topic or 2 topics and ask
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to think through a policy and come up with new ideas that perhaps people sitting on this topic for years
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: don't think of anymore. Perhaps, I said, perhaps
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: the second is, if you invest in bringing these people to these organizations.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: these are the sort of people you want to have working there in the future.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So, in other words, you bring them in
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: on your own cost. So maybe the cost of a government or whatever. But these are the people you will be looking for in the near future to start working for you. So that would be a tremendous added value as well, and I think that that could work a miracle in policy if
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: we would be brave enough. And I say we I can't change it, but I mean we, as a whole world
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: would be brave enough to actually start doing this. And I hope that Thomas has picked that up yesterday because I don't see him in the room now, but I think that would be a good idea to to do also for governments like Nigel, bring to youth, to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: to to from Britain to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I can, or wherever. So let me stop there. I think the message is clear. Thank you, Ricardo. Thank you all.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Richards.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Well, my question would be that. Yes, youth can participate in higher sphere. CD, global Igf, and and I believe that there's ambition between many of my fellow youth and that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: actions are taken. We have some of these year's members, participants in the Council of Europe, and I also know from people from a more technical background, who have lots of ideas they want to use to contribute to the current ecosystem.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And personally.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I would love to be able to come to all of these events and collaborate and contribute to the current state of the Internet.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: yeah, would you want to add something?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Shirt?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So I kept thinking about what you said of starting with small steps, and it resonated with something that we discussed during the drafting euphic messages that it's very important to translate all of this
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: complex knowledge and policy, language and all of this jargons that are often used, that can often dist distance distends people, and the youth from that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and I think
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: one of the key things for starting and trying to start small, as you said, and in order to reach more people. So we're more in numbers. And then we have more impact.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: It's precisely that to translate and make things more accessible, because sometimes it can feel like a space that we don't belong to, and it can be hard to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: keep fighting to be there in those spaces, so things need to be made more accessible and inclusive for youth, as well for for their participation, for their understanding. Because I know there are a lot of people
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: that are not exactly engaged with Internet governance because they're not even aware of what it is and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: all the technicalities it's like, Oh, my God, the Internet's so complicated. I don't understand how it works and nothing like that.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So I think that dismifying this idea that it's so complex and only technical people can add in and participate. It's a very important thing, and I think that also starts.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: as we all thought together in the euphic messages, with translating things and using a language that is more, you friendly, because we also have this responsibility to also act and be in the spaces, but also to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: try to reach out to the most people, we can and try to augment our number in a sense that will also end up amplifying our impact. So I think it also starts
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: with making sure that more people join the discussions, and with that, of course, more people, more perspectives, more different backgrounds, is always a very good thing. Everyone talk a lot about moose stakeholder approach. And it's very important.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And yeah, I think that to start that more effectively, we need to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: show that it's an environment. It's a more welcoming environment, and adapt a language that
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: it will be seen and be more well received by youth as well.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Yeah, I think there are. I. I see there are other hands. Let's post questions for a moment, and let's allow for Nigel's and Gabby's remark, and then depending on time. Let's see if we can take more more questions. Okay, thank you, please. Nigel. Yeah, no. I I just wanted to say very briefly, really, I thought it was a good question.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: And to me this is one of the one of the problems you face
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I mean, Eurodig is an incredibly friendly environment, and you have to start with small steps.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So you have to exploit. And I thought that was such a powerful message. You have to exploit what you've got. You can exploit Eurodig hopefully, national Igfs are going to be open to youth. They're global. Igf, there is participation from youth as well. But there's other Internet governance bodies. And it's a shame that the Itu perhaps didn't give an answer.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Sandra, you know, does a marvelous job with this program of getting the right people in the room, getting people from the UN getting people from the Itu, getting people from other institutions like Icann in the room, and they need to be challenged about what access to youth those organizations are giving, how they're promoting youth voices in those organizations in the Itu the UN. It is difficult.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: But governments have a role here. It's for governments to decide who is in our delegations.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: When we go to these international conferences. Years ago, when I led delegations to the Itu plenary potenti we could take, who we liked exactly who we liked, but it was for the delegation it was for the Government to decide what stakeholders they could take. So that was, if you like, some of the openings that we could give to youth.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: civil society groups, and others, and we must exploit that those are the steps that you have to take. Yes, it's going to take time. Yes, it's going to take time for people to listen and to understand how necessary your voice is.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you, caviar, please.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So, firstly, thank you for coming in being that active force. And and for the final remark I would say, if we would look at Internet like metaphorically, as as a kind of a flow of data and
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and everything. What is in that flow, I would say, for you not just go with the flow, but be that flow
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and create the message and create the voice.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: using Internet as a space as a platform for you to be you and to speak to the world what you want to say.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Any final remarks, or
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: are we winding up now. Yeah, I think we're winding up because we are 3 min in advance. Do we want to take one question?
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, I'm being. I'm being told that there's no time for questions I'm happy to see there are other hands raised, because it means that there was huge interest. But I need to be mindful of time, and I don't want to take time away from the party. I know people want to party. So
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in Wisconsin.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of course.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: in any case, the session is meant to end in 2 min, so maybe we can have a last interaction
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: so much. I'll be quick. Just an Itu feedback to everything that was said. I was here like trying to wait. We are still present. We are still here, and in fact, we have the generation connect program which is running for already many years. In 2,024 it brings 184, youth and voice
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: from the 64 countries together that are participating in all of the processes of it. They're being extremely involved. They represent all 5 regions.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: They have a strategy. They have a very active participation. As I said, in a lot of events, we have
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: youth representatives involved in a lot of paneled conversation and discussions throughout the events. And just as a quick thought. You're more than welcome to join and thank you so much. We agree with your position of the need to involve the youth in the processes, and we are doing it actively. And we would be happy if there will be even more interest from the youth community to join the activities. Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Thank you.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Okay, I believe.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: I believe we can wrap up and thank you all for your interventions for your remarks. I do believe as well that Eurodig is a place where people youth, but not only youth, can learn about Internet governance and learn where they want to make a difference whether they want to go into Ican or into more technical standards in the Itf, for example.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: So let's all take Eurodig as a 1st step, as a 1st place where to start learning and then delve deeper into the decision, making mechanisms before we end. I'd like to
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: thank again Nadia, Chaka and Vladivanets for having collaborated with me to organize the intergenerational dialogue and also the program committee and the local host for supporting it. Finally, thanks again, Lyle and Diego for volunteering youth voices in the in the session, and thanks, Nigel, thanks, Gabia, for participating in it. Thank you, and enjoy the party. I think
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: Nick
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: exact
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: exactly, Ricardo. Let's join the party. So thank you, guys, for all the day you spent together.
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: The next day is coming, but before that I really invite you from all my heart and from all our hearts as host members
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: of our team to build this town hall. Do you know where it is? Have you checked the maps exactly good. So just now we're leaving. As the programme begins at around 7. So we have some time just slowly to move there and really to enjoy the evening with some surprises. Nice music, dancing songs, Lithuanian traditional food
Auditorium, EuroDIG 2024: and networking. The most important thing. Yeah. So yeah, enjoy evening and see you in the morning, of course.